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[auscyclefan94]

No, not Lotto. Not NG, if that was what you were thinking.

Worked it out...I will keep the secret!

 

[auscyclefan94]

UCI confirms Pegasus Sports met Pro Continental license deadline

EDIT: My bad on the header, I only very quickly skimmed the article thinking that is what it meant

 

[theyoungest]

UCI awards Pegasus Pro Continental license

Uhhh... no, that's not what that article says.

 

[Jamsque]

I hope they filled out the forms right this time.

 

[Sydney21]

Yeah they certainly havn't recieved a pro conti licence yet. Fingers and toes crossed that UCI accepts it not just so I can watch them next year but also so all their employees can keep their job

 

[Ferminal]

You need to think bigger... whilst there may not be many consumer interests in Europe for Australian companies, there are still plenty of corporate interests. All it takes is one deal to make the sponsorship worth it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

UCI awards Pegasus Pro Continental license

I honestly don't think I know any person more blindly chauvinist as you. dear god I hope the rest of the next generations won't be as narrowminded. who cares where a person is born really.

 

[Sydney21]

I honestly don't think I know any person more blindly chauvinist as you. dear god I hope the rest of the next generations won't be as narrowminded. who cares where a person is born really.

Thats a ridiculous thing to say. There is a difference between being 'blindly chauvinistic' and being patriotic and having pride in the country one is born in and raised. ACF is exercising the latter.

 

[adamski101]

I honestly don't think I know any person more blindly chauvinist as you. dear god I hope the rest of the next generations won't be as narrowminded. who cares where a person is born really.

how is he being chauvinistic or narrow minded? bit of unfair comment to be honest.

 

[L'arriviste]

how is he being chauvinistic or narrow minded? bit of unfair comment to be honest.

I'm not sure if Ryo's first language is English (I think not), but in French at least, the word chauvin does not carry the same level of negative harshness as the English equivalent. So it could be that it comes across worse than it was meant. "Narrow-minded" is another matter, of course.

 

[Barrus]

I'm not sure if Ryo's first language is English (I think not), but in French at least, the word chauvin does not carry the same level of negative harshness as the English equivalent. So it could be that it comes across worse than it was meant. "Narrow-minded" is another matter, of course.

Nah, if I am correct Ryo is Dutch and we are staunchly against any display of patriotism in most cases, with the exception of certain specific circumstances and ACF's postings would clearly classify him as a chauvinist over here

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Thats a ridiculous thing to say. There is a difference between being 'blindly chauvinistic' and being patriotic and having pride in the country one is born in and raised. ACF is exercising the latter.

There's a difference between being proud of where you're from and blindly supporting anything just because it's from there. I know that the Australians are often very patriotic by European standards, and so while ACF may seem jingoistic and patriotic but just being a proud Aussie by one standard, to other countries where patriotism isn't as strong, he comes across as needlessly chauvinistic and blindly supporting things without coming to an informed decision on whether they're a good thing first.

You're from a country which is generally more patriotic than Ryo's. Therefore ACF's brand of patriotism doesn't seem extreme to you. Trust me, to a lot of the Euros on here, it does. Sometimes it makes him endearing, other times it makes him infuriating. It's just part of who he is.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Seeing how he claimed that Davis is a **** poor rider lately i'm not sure he cares about patriotism much.

I guess patriotism works only when it coincides with Cadel worshipping.
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Universal Health Warehouse

 

[unsheath]

Capitalist economies these days are ponzi schemes; it can all go pear-shaped very quickly. We have seen what happened elsewhere and businesses and consumers alike are being cautious.

Most Australian sport involves advertising to a home market. Cycling needs sponsors looking to the European market. I'm doubtful Australian mining companies will see European cycling fans as critical to their future success. Surely there must be some Australian candidates -- I wondered about Toll Transport, but I don't know if they have a Euro presence -- but there can't be many.

Plenty of industries you could target.

CUB (owners of Fosters and a thousand other wines/beer labels). Australia is one of the biggest wine exporters in the world. Lion Nathan is the other major player. Not sure if there's laws against alcoholic sponsors in cycling though.

Primary Industries. Woolmark, Paspaley Pearls. AWB

Tourism Australia.

2XU for a local clothing sponsor

 

[pmcg76]

I honestly don't think I know any person more blindly chauvinist as you. dear god I hope the rest of the next generations won't be as narrowminded. who cares where a person is born really.

I would say the Aussies and the Americans are the most patriotic nations in the world. Australia is a US wannabe, anybody who has ever been at Australia day celebrations would soon realise its 4th July lite. What counts as patriosm to them comes across as knuckleheaded chauvism to many other nationalities.

In most European countries, people are proud of where they are from but dont go around shouting about it like the Aussies/Americans. I think as younger nations, US & Australia need to constantly re-affirm to themselves how fantastic they are.

What is this opinion based on? Well having lived in Ireland, UK, Australia, US, Spain & Belgium and met countless other nationalities on my numerous travels, it is based purely on observation.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Thats a ridiculous thing to say. There is a difference between being 'blindly chauvinistic' and being patriotic and having pride in the country one is born in and raised. ACF is exercising the latter.

explain to me the difference if it all means you just blindly triumph anything that is your country. I find it to be rather ridiculous

 

[NickBVK]

9/10 of ACF's posts make me cringe and I would say I'm pretty patriotic.

OT: Hope we aren't kept waiting too long for an announcement.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Nah, if I am correct Ryo is Dutch and we are staunchly against any display of patriotism in most cases, with the exception of certain specific circumstances and ACF's postings would clearly classify him as a chauvinist over here

this I mean.

 

[Hotbrakes]

Nah, if I am correct Ryo is Dutch and we are staunchly against any display of patriotism in most cases, with the exception of certain specific circumstances and ACF's postings would clearly classify him as a chauvinist over here

I know how this game works. If you are Australian and support an Australian rider then you are a chauvinist. But wait this is where it gets interesting. If you are European and support a rider from your own country, your not patriotic or a chauvinist, it just happens that the rider you support by some strange coincidence comes from the same country that you live in. I like this game this is fun.
Nice of the Dutch to be so hypocritical. We are chauvinists and you are hypocrites. What are the French?

 

[PCutter]

In most European countries, people are proud of where they are from but dont go around shouting about it like the Aussies/Americans. I think as younger nations, US & Australia need to constantly re-affirm to themselves how fantastic they are.

LOL. That must be why we never see riots at European national football matches.

ACF is certainly jingoistic, and VERY fond of Cadel, but I think most accept some of his comments in this light and admire/chuckle at (depending on your point of view) his extreme passion. Who's he hurting being a massive aussie cycling fan? Better than some of the slandering of goes on in these forums.

 

[Francois the Postman]

People, this isn't about ACF or patriotism, on topic please. Feel free to continue the patriotism discussions in the General forum area.

(Barrus, you too )

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I know how this game works. If you are Australian and support an Australian rider then you are a chauvinist. But wait this is where it gets interesting. If you are European and support a rider from your own country, your not patriotic or a chauvinist, it just happens that the rider you support by some strange coincidence comes from the same country that you live in. I like this game this is fun.
Nice of the Dutch to be so hypocritical. We are chauvinists and you are hypocrites. What are the French?

Everybody has some level of patriotism in them. But few seem so willing, nay, determined, to display it at all times. The Dutch guys here would like Dutch riders to do well. But they don't feel compelled to support everything from the Netherlands just because it's Dutch.

Most of the Aussies are the same, but the parameters of what's an acceptable level of patriotism and when it crosses the line into tubthumping nationalism are slightly different. Evidently ACF sometimes crosses that line by the parameters of some of the Euro posters here, and doesn't by the parameters of most of the Aussie posters here.

I also think that if you're of the same nation, you perceive the patriotism either less, or more, depending on your view. If you're a proud Australian, then you would think much of the time ACF's just telling it like it is, supporting his compatriots. If you're not such a patriotic Aussie, then you find his constant pro-Aussie posts too jingoistic and too embarrassing and cringeworthy for you as a fellow Australian. The in-between is reduced, because Australians posting patriotically about Australia reflects on you as an Australian, so it's harder to be apathetic to it.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Pegasus confident of snaring lead sponsor despite setback


- We've been told that a main backer is european and that the budget is $7 million (AUD)

 

[Tuarts]

I would say the Aussies and the Americans are the most patriotic nations in the world. Australia is a US wannabe, anybody who has ever been at Australia day celebrations would soon realise its 4th July lite. What counts as patriosm to them comes across as knuckleheaded chauvism to many other nationalities.

In most European countries, people are proud of where they are from but dont go around shouting about it like the Aussies/Americans. I think as younger nations, US & Australia need to constantly re-affirm to themselves how fantastic they are.

What is this opinion based on? Well having lived in Ireland, UK, Australia, US, Spain & Belgium and met countless other nationalities on my numerous travels, it is based purely on observation.

Continentals can't talk. Worse history of getting along with their neigbours anywhere. All for their 'nation' (or even region these days....). I hate the word patriotism personally but claiming the majority of people going about it here, you're having a laugh.

As for acf, he comes off as crazy here too but pulling him up over a url is a bit harsh.

Australians supporting an Aussie registered team? Why should they not? Tell me, who's the main followers of Rabobank, Quickstep, Liquigas?

Really...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Australians supporting an Aussie registered team? Why should they not? Tell me, who's the main followers of Rabobank, Quickstep, Liquigas?

Really...

I don't blame Aussies for supporting it. I don't like how it was set up as a quasi-national team (same with Sky). Rabobank, Quickstep and Liquigas aren't advertised like they're representing their country. Rabobank becomes a de facto Dutch team at times (though with teams like Skil and Vacansoleil around that isn't often), while Quick Step and Liquigas are just one of multiple top tier teams from their country of origin.

The whole thing with Pegasus was like, "Australia is doing so well in the sport, Australia needs a pro team". Why? Australian sponsors have little to gain from it, and weren't the Aussies in the pro péloton doing well enough where they were?

Since they felt they needed a team and they set one up, I can totally understand Aussies wanting to support them. But sometimes something about the team is so bad that it overrides that patriotism. Chris White's behaviour may turn some of its intended audience off - same as Dave Brailsford and Team Sky's did last year.