Pellizotti been given a 2 year ban [was - prematurely- Pellizotti acquitted !]

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webvan said:
Peli is getting a bit old, I doubt he'll recover from that year off the bike, look how long it took Basso to come back and he was much more gifted.
He's 32.

Peli did "come out of the blue" during that 2008 Giro when he won that dreadful TT on the dirt road (Plan de Corones, can't be bothered to look it up), prior to that he was a nobody. I'm surprised he didn't get popped with the other little Italian mountain goats in 2007, Emanuele Sella and Co. At least these guys were honest with themselves, they refused to participate in the Bio program!
Sella and co. tested positive in 2008, after the 2008 Giro in which Pellizotti "came out of nowhere". After debunking the "Ezequiel Mosquera came out of nowhere in 2007" myth as precisely that, I now set to work on the "Pellizotti came out of nowhere in 2008" myth, which should be considerably easier since he never spent half a decade toiling away in Portugal in races few people saw.

Franco Pellizotti's career path:

2001:
4th Settimana Lombarda
10th DeutschlandTour
18th, Österreichrundfahrt (includes a top 10, matching Rasmussen and Gustov, on the Großglockner stage)
20th, Vuelta a España

2002:
9th (+1 stage win, uphill finish), Tirreno-Adriatico
11th (+1 stage win), Vuelta al País Vasco
16th, Giro d'Italia (inc. 3rd & 6th in mountain stages)
1st, Giro del Friuli
1 stage win, Tour de Pologne

2003:
3rd, Settimana Coppi e Bartali
9th, Giro d'Italia (inc. 4 top 10s in mountain stages)

2004:
8th, Settimana Coppi e Bartali
11th, Giro d'Italia (inc. 2 3rds in mountain stages)
2nd, Giro del Friuli
3rd, Tour de Pologne
2nd, Coppa Sabatini
9th, Giro di Lombardia

2005:
3rd, Tour Méditerranéen
4th, Volta a Comunitat Valenciana
6th, Paris-Nice
9th, Milan-Sanremo
1st (+1 stage win), Settimana Coppi e Bartali

2006:
2nd, Milano-Torino
8th (+1 stage win), Giro d'Italia (also 4 top 10s in mountain stages)
10th, Clasica San Sebastián
3rd, Coppa Agostini

2007:
5th, Paris-Nice (+ 1 stage win, and points jersey)
5th, Giro del Trentino
9th, Giro d'Italia (including a top 5 in the mountain TT and 8th to Zoncolán)
1st, Memorial Marco Pantani
3rd in a stage, Vuelta a España

And then 2008:
4th, Giro d'Italia (+1 stage win and four days in pink)
2nd, Tour de Slovénie
5th, Clasica San Sebastián
3rd, Tour de Pologne



So yes, his GT performance was better in 2008. But he previously had 3 top 10s and a stage win in the Giro, his performance had been improving from early in his career where top 20s in GTs from an early age indicated his GT potential. He had top 10s in two monuments, a GC win in a tough short stage race (Coppi e Bartali) plus a couple of stages and a points jersey in another, more prestigious one (Paris-Nice). You can say that you were surprised Pellizotti had what he pulled out in week 3 of the 2008 Giro in him, but you most definitely cannot say he came out of nowhere.
 

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touch down between 3 and 10 March

Well, well now what? UCI mill at work, shady politics for the herd hah

CN | February 13, 23:59 →
Crunch time for the Passport?

Recent appeals against the UCI's passport have come as a blow to the anti-doping initiative. Tadej Valjavec and Franco Pellizotti both have cases lodged with the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), disputing the UCI's rulings that they have violated any doping codes.

Gripper worked at the UCI when both cases were first opened and stands by her former employer's decision to press ahead with the initial cases.

"I sat through the experts' consideration of those profiles, I'm absolutely rock-solid sure that they are legitimate cases to have opened, absolutely, so I would be very, very disappointed if CAS upheld the decision on either of those," she said.

"If CAS upheld the decisions based on technical reasons, like because the blood wasn't transported at certain temperature, then I think we can say OK, sure, in the early days we were getting those logistical things sorted, and we know what we've got to do in the future.

"If, however, they overturn it on the basis of the invalidity of indirect detection as a method, then that's a bad thing. But if it's just "you've got to be more careful at transporting the samples at between four and twelve degrees Celsius, then I don't think that undermines the whole programme, that just says in this instance there's enough possible confounding factors that we can't go forward with this case as a rule violation."


In full: (http://cyclingnews.com/gripper-concerned-over-bio-passport-publishing)

Not crunch time, but lunch time, play time is over, knock out around the corner, kindergarten is about to be closed, BONANZA down to the wire Yeehaaw
 

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Martedì 15 Febbraio | 18:45 Italy on fire

Rebellion an anarchie at tuttobiciweb.it

Pier Augusto Stagi – direttore di tuttoBICI calls for Franco Pellizotti to start racing immediately and calls the gentleman agreement between UCI and Pro Teams a sham where Liquigas boss Paolo Dal Lago fell for.

This is what he had to say about the Italian Federation:
Fate correre Pellizotti: non sarà Contador, ma può pur sempre andare a correre anche lui in Spagna. Per buona pace anche della Federciclismo italiana: che tace.

(http://tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=n)

Yeah the walls of air are coming down.
 

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Martedì 15 Febbraio | 24:00 Italy on fire, alarm bells are ringing

DAOTEC said:
Rebellion an anarchie at tuttobiciweb.it
Yeah the walls of thin air are coming down.

WoW this one is exploding look at the amount of comments > (http://www.tuttobiciweb.it)

Commenti (22) exceptional for this outlet ..

Latest, there is movement to be expected tomorrow in this unsavory case.
 
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Hes been given 2 years today.

Can someone change the name of the thread, Daotec jumped the gun (as usual)
 
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DAOTEC said:
Well, well now what? UCI mill at work, shady politics for the herd hah

Not crunch time, but lunch time, play time is over, knock out around the corner, kindergarten is about to be closed, BONANZA down to the wire Yeehaaw

I have no idea what the bolded meant but it is as funny as..........Tiger blood.

Pellizotti gets the punishment afterall.
 
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this is an extremely important development, both for the blood passport future and (potentially) for... contador.

the last stems from the fact that contador's case is essentially about a blood transfusion (as seen from the presence/lack of clues from the his biopass) or meat contamination.

a little known fact is that 2 advisers in both cases are the same - banfi (official) and another very prominent public defender/haematologist (the name escaped me for now).
 
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python said:
this is an extremely important development, both for the blood passport future and (potentially) for... contador.

the last stems from the fact that contador's case is essentially about a blood transfusion (as seen from the presence/lack of clues from the his biopass) or meat contamination.

a little known fact is that 2 advisers in both cases are the same - banfi (official) and another very prominent public defender/haematologist (the name escaped me for now).

When you say "important for AC", you mean in his favor, right?
As I see it, the acknowledgement of the bloodpassport here will indirectly support AC's case, which relies heavily on the fact that there was nothing wrong with his passport.
 
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sniper said:
When you say "important for AC", you mean in his favor, right?
As I see it, the acknowledgement of the bloodpassport here will indirectly support AC's case, which relies heavily on the fact that there was nothing wrong with his passport.
it's hard to interpret in one single direction.

otoh, contador's advisers and pelli's advisers got an egg, on the other biopass validity reaffirmed may help contador if (the key if) his biopass is flawless.
 

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I am happy the Bio- Passport ban has been upheld on Mr. Pelozzoti.
I am totally in support of the bio-passport testing and support Dr. Massimo Testa in his evaluation of bio-passport testing. Hopefully a precedence will be established when a big name rider receives a ban strictly upon his positive test, specifically Mr. Pelozzoti
 
sniper said:
When you say "important for AC", you mean in his favor, right?
As I see it, the acknowledgement of the bloodpassport here will indirectly support AC's case, which relies heavily on the fact that there was nothing wrong with his passport.

Actually as others have pointed out in the Contador thread, CAS may consider other evidence within the UCI appeal. That other evidence is likely to include subject matter beyond the Clen and not as defensible to CAS as the Clen matter was to REFC. Clen may emerge as the least of AC's problems but I'm still not convinced the UCI wants to strip him of his Tour "win".
 
theswordsman said:
Caucchioli also got 2 years. I hope these guys were actually cheaters, because the Bio Passport isn't going away. How many names will they announce before the Giro this year?

http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/altrisport/2011/03/08/visualizza_new.html_1558231440.html
Don't worry a rider (Pellizotti) with a personal trainer named Ferrari is not angel. (even if the case was about the Biopassport, can't help to think that this fact did not help him at all).
 
Something that ****ed me off was the fact that the PR team from Pellizotti made it look like there were so many flaws and not much information in his blood profile that for a moment I thought that they were actually right. A mean, it was a constant hammering of these news in the media. I guess they take advantage of the fact that neither the UCI nor CAS are allowed to comment at all on the matter. So we are almost blinded of the real events on these cases.
 
Meanwhile, Ivan "The Thinker" Basso gets onto the 2009 Giro podium, while Mr Human Plasma looks down from the top step.
Leipheimer, whose blood values were pre passport flagged, moves up to 4th.
Truly screwed up. Pro cycling should be renamed wacky races.
 
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The new news report says Franco will lose his KOM title and Giro second place...

So this obviously means that Sastre will be declared second and Basso third.

But what will happen to the 2009 Tour de France KOM jersey? I remember that the 2008 jersey had been taken away from Kohl and officially given to Sastre...but there was not a lot of information and PR around that.

What will happen now to the polka-dots?