Pellizotti been given a 2 year ban [was - prematurely- Pellizotti acquitted !]

[Dr. Maserati]

I forget, was Ashenden "asked for his opinion about the '99 samples," or was he a paid expert witness of a company trying to save itself millions of dollars?

Both. ........

 

[hoolaparara]

To be honest I think this is the right result, I heard this whilst asleep I guess the name woke me up in a rare cycling story so I missed the result and only found out this evening which way it went.

The more I thought about it the more I became certain that no country body can actually suspend based on the bio passport in its current form, its essentially like the sheriff chucking someone in jail because the mayor says he looks funny.

The bio-passport data is held by the UCI and the prosecutor does not have the ability to give the data to the defence because its all held in private. Until ALL the data for ALL the riders is made public, the bio-passport is a merely a tool for kangaroo courts.

 

[Frosty]

To be honest I think this is the right result, I heard this whilst asleep I guess the name woke me up in a rare cycling story so I missed the result and only found out this evening which way it went.

The more I thought about it the more I became certain that no country body can actually suspend based on the bio passport in its current form, its essentially like the sheriff chucking someone in jail because the mayor says he looks funny.

The bio-passport data is held by the UCI and the prosecutor does not have the ability to give the data to the defence because its all held in private. Until ALL the data for ALL the riders is made public, the bio-passport is a merely a tool for kangaroo courts.

4 riders have been banned because of it this year

One aspect of the Pellizotti case is that he did at first say he wanted to see all the top GC contenders profiles to see how he compared. Did that ever happen, even anonamously?

 

[Frosty]

Not sure there is a discrepancy. The sample referred to above could have been taken at the end of the Giro. If it was being argued that the parameters should not have been stable, there would have had to be a comparison between multiple samples over the course of the GT. The idea being that the sample at the end of the Giro should show lower values of certain parameters, not the same values as earlier ones.

Yes that is possible but in that case i would have expected the reports to say the test happened straight after the Giro rather than vaguely giving a window of between the Giro and the TdF. Why cant they give an exact date? Maybe they mention the tour simply because it links in to his achievements there.

EDIT: From looking at sites other than cyclingnews it seems as if there is some confusion as to when the problem tests were. However, one mentioned a lot is July 2nd 2009, along with November/December 2008, with a possible one on April 15th 2009.

 

[python]

byopass is good if:

(i) you slam 1-2 units of rbcs in your veins
(ii) empty an entire syringe of epo in your ****
(iii) forget or don't inject enough saline after a blod bag
(iv) get tested twice daily, including 12 pm and 6am

but who is that stupid or unlucky ?

many are one of those, few are both.

 

[hoolaparara]

4 riders have been banned because of it this year

One aspect of the Pellizotti case is that he did at first say he wanted to see all the top GC contenders profiles to see how he compared. Did that ever happen, even anonamously?

Guess I should have said, no body should suspend based on this evidence.

 

[SpeedWay]

Unreal.. an entire season ruined for nothing-- not to mention the fact that they waited until just before the Giro to announce it. I'm surprised Pellizotti didn't do something rash.

It's a common theme around here so it should play well. Guilty until proved innocent(or at least until the sh$t sticks to the wall). Interesting to see how far Pelli takes it in regards to what he's unfairly(not that fairness has ever been an issue here) lost.

 

[Winterfold]

That might actually be useful. Why not hire the big wig doctors for double what they can make in the street?

The govt hires the best computer hackers all the time to design security measures.

+ 1

If sport is really serious about it this makes a lot of sense.

Let's get Fuentes on board too and let all the info about tennis and soccer out

The biopassport seems to stop the riders doing too much damage to themselves but as we probably all expected is not enough to actually ban someone.

I'm not sure I care. Through reading and occasionally posting on this forum, I am happy that the sport does what it can to stop doping but these days the doping that goes on does not spoil the beauty of it. And it is a beautiful spectacle when the race is truly on.

From 2010; Cuddles, Thor x2 and Gilbert - thank you

 

[scribe]

It's a common theme around here so it should play well. Guilty until proved innocent(or at least until the sh$t sticks to the wall). Interesting to see how far Pelli takes it in regards to what he's unfairly(not that fairness has ever been an issue here) lost.

Cycling's got to suspend someone they suspect of cheating. Let him ride, the rider dies, and they got a real mess on their hands. It's not really guilty before proven innocent.

 

[lucybears]

it seems as if there is some confusion as to when the problem tests were. However, one mentioned a lot is July 2nd 2009, along with November/December 2008, with a possible one on April 15th 2009.

The UCI found three suspicious results out of 22 controls. Two of those were taken after he had been at an altitude training camp: April 15, 2009 in Tenerife and July 2, 2009 at the Tour de France in Monaco, after he had been in Livigno. The third control was taken on December 12, 2008, at his home.

Pellizotti's biological passport lacked certainty, says expert
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...al-passport-lacked-certainty-says-expert.html

 

[luckyboy]

What's happening with the other guy that was suspended? We've heard from Pelli & Valjavec, but not Rosendo.

In last year's Giro and Tour, his biological passport values reportedly increased or remained stable instead of decreasing over time as they normally should. - can think of someone else they probably should've investigated.

 

[hrotha]

What's happening with the other guy that was suspended? We've heard from Pelli & Valjavec, but not Rosendo.

In last year's Giro and Tour, his biological passport values reportedly increased or remained stable instead of decreasing over time as they normally should. - can think of someone else they probably should've investigated.

I'm not sure but I think Rosendo was cleared by the Spanish federation months ago. Shocker.

 

[roundabout]

Yep. See the first news item.

http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5889

He raced the Volta a Portugal

 

[Frosty]

Its mentioned at the bottom of the Valjavec article below

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valjavec-cleared-by-slovenian-anti-doping-agency

Just says that he wont be facing disciplinary proceedings.

For the record his dodgy reading was apparently on the 20th April yet he explains it by having lost a lot of blood on 8th April.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rosendos-blood-readings-due-to-haemorrhoids

Bit odd that having lost all that blood he was able to do one of the best results of his career in between, at Scheldeprijs

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=7062&year=2009&all=1&current=0

Bit strange the UCI havent tried to appeal at all looking at that?

 

[DAOTEC]

5 teams are fighting for Pellizotti -

Team Sky, Astana, Geox, Movistar and Aqua e Sapone

and that pending UCI appeal WoW

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pellizotti-in-talks-with-team-sky-astana-geox-and-movistar

 

[webvan]

Peli is getting a bit old, I doubt he'll recover from that year off the bike, look how long it took Basso to come back and he was much more gifted.

Peli did "come out of the blue" during that 2008 Giro when he won that dreadful TT on the dirt road (Plan de Corones, can't be bothered to look it up), prior to that he was a nobody. I'm surprised he didn't get popped with the other little Italian mountain goats in 2007, Emanuele Sella and Co. At least these guys were honest with themselves, they refused to participate in the Bio program!

Unless Liquigas stopped paying him I can't see how he's going to get any money back from the UCI, Liquigas might have a better case. They should try to put a rule saying that if the panel thinks your Bio passport looks suspicious and you're suspended then you can't sue...on the other hand they couldn't even enforce that one-year salary rule (not sure why, a private contract is a private contract, I guess the riders couldn't enter into a contract with someone who doesn't employ them)...or the rule forbiding dope fiends to sign up with a Pro-Tour team for another two years after coming back from a suspension.

 

[webvan]

From the horse's mouth : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pel...&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

Apparently it was just a midunsderstanding...altitude training.

 

[DAOTEC]

UCI has to Pay-Up for the Bio-P mess

Pello hands down the first claim ...

Source: http://velochrono.fr/actu/2011/pellizotti-reclame-euros-a-l'uci


McQuaid is burning all the cash from the teams by turning the UCI in to a legal battlefield.

 

[Roland Rat]

From the horse's mouth : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pel...&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

Apparently it was just a midunsderstanding...altitude training.

Surely this would be evident from his whereabouts?

Not that I believe he was clean for a second. His lawyer probably got him off on the basis that his abnormal values could have been caused by altitude training, and he is now claiming this as having been proven in Court, Armstrong style.

 

[stephens]

Surely this would be evident from his whereabouts?

Not that I believe he was clean for a second. His lawyer probably got him off on the basis that his abnormal values could have been caused by altitude training...

Well, in most civilized societies, all the accused needs to do is prove is that there reasonably could be another explanation for what happened than the story the accusers are telling. Surely we want to hold the authorities to the same strong standards of needing to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt (not just beyond the doubt of us cynical clinic regulars) that we expect in our court systems?

 

[Roland Rat]

Well, in most civilized societies, all the accused needs to do is prove is that there reasonably could be another explanation for what happened than the story the accusers are telling. Surely we want to hold the authorities to the same strong standards of needing to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt (not just beyond the doubt of us cynical clinic regulars) that we expect in our court systems?

I don't disagree. However, this doesn't help the biopassport much as I would think in most cases there could reasonably be other reasons for different values. It seems like more confirmation that the BP is merely a control tool*, and sanctions can still only come from positive tests.

* which is no bad thing if used alongside additional testing. Surely every sample should be sent for testing for both BP purposes AND controlled substance purposes, and not one or the other.

 

[Suedehead]

There is no beyond reasonable doubt in civil law, only in criminal law. Proof should be more than probably but not as much as obvious, something like that. And it is the "accuser" who has the burden of proof.

 

[Bumeington]

Bump

Why has the UCI waited so long to appeal against Pellizotti? Will he be able to ride while the case goes on? If not, maybe this is the reason, if so, just indecision?

 

[webvan]

Yes, that doesn't sound right to have a professional racer in limbo like this, same for Contador actually, they should be able to make quicker decisions. Of course if the racers didn't deny each time a case comes up it would make things easier.

 

[BroDeal]

Why has the UCI waited so long to appeal against Pellizotti? Will he be able to ride while the case goes on? If not, maybe this is the reason, if so, just indecision?

They may have been negotiating with Pellizotti about his potential lawsuit. If they reached an impasse then they may be hoping that CAS will vindicate them.