Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[toolittle]

Re: Re:

After review yesterday race, I confirmed that Sagan will rule coming cobble stone races.

Altitude Training just completed before Strade Bianche, strong form will arrive around MSR and keep for a month.
His team is strong collectively. I think they are stronger than QS.

Daniel Oss, Marcus Burghardt and Gregor Mühlberger have showed their hands.
Aleksejs Saramotins and Rüdiger Selig are also capable.
For races like MSR, Peter Kennaugh and Sam Bennett will provide big engine.

 

[Salvarani]

Sagan did well. Looks promising. First race in awhile after some hard training and he finishes in the top 10 in tough conditions. Also, well ahead of some of his biggest rivals in upcoming races. Team looks strong. Will be interesting to see what happens. Would be very happy too see him win 1 or 2 of the monuments this year.

 

[tobydawq]

It doesn't matter that the team is strong if they are going to use it as retardedly as yesterday.

They tried to be riding tactically fancifully when they should just have been riding on the front and kept the race more closed until 20 kilometres to go. Amador should have done the same but Bora had the numbers (incredible to be writing this sentence) and they threw away any chances of victory themselves no matter what they say.

Sagan's move up to the elite group at 50 to go looked immense and he will be difficult to live with the coming month and a half.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: Re:

After review yesterday race, I confirmed that Sagan will rule coming cobble stone races.

Altitude Training just completed before Strade Bianche, strong form will arrive around MSR and keep for a month.
His team is strong collectively. I think they are stronger than QS.

Daniel Oss, Marcus Burghardt and Gregor Mühlberger have showed their hands.
Aleksejs Saramotins and Rüdiger Selig are also capable.
For races like MSR, Peter Kennaugh and Sam Bennett will provide big engine.

I'm not sure his form will improve a lot more. Last year he went directly from altitude training to Omloop where he was already in as good as any point in the spring classics.

 

[Carstenbf]

Looked to me like Sagan is playing the long game. Teach his opponents that just waiting for his move could be detrimental for their chances. Make them wonder about his strength, thus giving him just a tiny bit more leeway for his big targets. Dunno, just a thought ..

 

[frisenfruitig]

Looked to me like Sagan is playing the long game. Teach his opponents that just waiting for his move could be detrimental for their chances. Make them wonder about his strength, thus giving him just a tiny bit more leeway for his big targets. Dunno, just a thought ..

I don't know, that doesn't sound like Sagan at all. He's always showing how good he is. I'm pretty sure he wasn't that strong yesterday.

 

[tomorrow]

Looked to me like Sagan is playing the long game. Teach his opponents that just waiting for his move could be detrimental for their chances. Make them wonder about his strength, thus giving him just a tiny bit more leeway for his big targets. Dunno, just a thought ..

I don't know, that doesn't sound like Sagan at all. He's always showing how good he is. I'm pretty sure he wasn't that strong yesterday.

Just a little correction, He's always showing how good he is but the WC. And he's WC three times in a row. Maybe he noticed something. And maybe he really was not feeling good. And maybe, and maybe, ... . And maybe as it was said before, he just wants his opponents to have these "maybe" assumption.

The only thing that's certain is, that we will have had the answers in 5 weeks time.

 

[portugal11]

it was his first race after a training camp and he still was better than his "cobbled rivals". he could have finish higher if he had been good tactically.

 

[frisenfruitig]

Looked to me like Sagan is playing the long game. Teach his opponents that just waiting for his move could be detrimental for their chances. Make them wonder about his strength, thus giving him just a tiny bit more leeway for his big targets. Dunno, just a thought ..

I don't know, that doesn't sound like Sagan at all. He's always showing how good he is. I'm pretty sure he wasn't that strong yesterday.

Just a little correction, He's always showing how good he is but the WC. And he's WC three times in a row. Maybe he noticed something. And maybe he really was not feeling good. And maybe, and maybe, ... . And maybe as it was said before, he just wants his opponents to have these "maybe" assumption.

The only thing that's certain is, that we will have had the answers in 5 weeks time.

Obviously I can't know for sure but I think that if he had the legs to win he wouldn't have raced the way he did yesterday and considering this is a pretty prestigeous race which he hasn't won yet I find it hard to imagine he was "playing the long game".

And let's be real: he's Sagan. Even if people think he isn't in top shape they will still look at him and be on his wheel.

 

[tomorrow]

Just today, I looked at the profiles of T-A. The puncher stages seem to be a little tougher this year. I'm quite curious, how Sagan will do in stage 3 and 5 and if the final climbs won't be too tough for him. If he really wants to challenge the WC for 4th time, he should be doing well here already, because in Insbruck it will be even tougher.

 

[Velolover2]

The Trevi stage is too tough for Sagan but I think he can survive stage 5.

But since all the best puncheurs (Valverde, Alaphilippe, Martin, Henao, Poels, Teuns, Wellens, Vuillermoz and Gallopin.) are absent, it's hard to judge who is gonna win those stages.

I'd go with Adam Yates for stage 3 and Haas for stage 5. But Sagan could win stage 5 if it is raced conservatively.

 

[d-s3]

If you were not a cyclist...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgGb_lbjxuq/

 

[portugal11]

beast!!

 

[El Pistolero]

When I hear Sagan say "wins are nothing to me, the show is more important" all I can think of is what an insecure loser this guy really is lol.

His reaction after he lost in M-SR and G-W last year clearly contradict his statement that wins mean nothing to him.

Is this some kind of coping mechanism for him or what?.

 

[Jancouver]

Re:

When I hear Sagan say "wins are nothing to me, the show is more important" all I can think of is what an insecure loser this guy really is lol.

His reaction after he lost in M-SR and G-W last year clearly contradict his statement that wins mean nothing to him.

Is this some kind of coping mechanism for him or what?.

Clearly taken out of context or he did incorrectly express himself ... perhaps he meant that he couldn't do any better today and that he did not win today does not bother him but at least the fans enjoyed the race which is more important.

 

[PeterB]

Re:

When I hear Sagan say "wins are nothing to me, the show is more important" all I can think of is what an insecure loser this guy really is lol.

His reaction after he lost in M-SR and G-W last year clearly contradict his statement that wins mean nothing to him.

Is this some kind of coping mechanism for him or what?.

Assuming that what people tell to the media is what they actually think or how they actually feel is one of the biggest logical fallacies of today.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

Re:

When I hear Sagan say "wins are nothing to me, the show is more important" all I can think of is what an insecure loser this guy really is lol.

His reaction after he lost in M-SR and G-W last year clearly contradict his statement that wins mean nothing to him.

Is this some kind of coping mechanism for him or what?.

He's starting to sound like a certain Spanish ex rider, "wins are out of reach for me, the show is more important" :lol: :lol:

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

When I hear Sagan say "wins are nothing to me, the show is more important" all I can think of is what an insecure loser this guy really is lol.

His reaction after he lost in M-SR and G-W last year clearly contradict his statement that wins mean nothing to him.

Is this some kind of coping mechanism for him or what?.

He's starting to sound like a certain Spanish ex rider, "wins are out of reach for me, the show is more important" :lol: :lol:

Those are fundamentally different. Anyway, I like Sagan, but he's been trying a bit too hard lately

 

[Jano]

Re: Re:

When I hear Sagan say "wins are nothing to me, the show is more important" all I can think of is what an insecure loser this guy really is lol.

His reaction after he lost in M-SR and G-W last year clearly contradict his statement that wins mean nothing to him.

Is this some kind of coping mechanism for him or what?.

He's starting to sound like a certain Spanish ex rider, "wins are out of reach for me, the show is more important" :lol: :lol:

Those are fundamentally different. Anyway, I like Sagan, but he's been trying a bit too hard lately

What do you mean?
He is racing, that's it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

"I don't care about the victories, it's more about the show"

Oh please, I don't even wanna read that article. Thats pretty much why I never will be able to like or root for Sagan..

 

[Pippo_San]

What's not to like about him? A pro rider who still enjoys riding hard and fast. Beautiful.

 

[wayahead]

Re: Re:

When I hear Sagan say "wins are nothing to me, the show is more important" all I can think of is what an insecure loser this guy really is lol.

His reaction after he lost in M-SR and G-W last year clearly contradict his statement that wins mean nothing to him.

Is this some kind of coping mechanism for him or what?.

Assuming that what people tell to the media is what they actually think or how they actually feel is one of the biggest logical fallacies of today.

Exactly What else should he do to look like a guy who wants to win every race he participate?

 

[d-s3]

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"I don't care about the victories, it's more about the show"

Oh please, I don't even wanna read that article. Thats pretty much why I never will be able to like or root for Sagan..

Yes, it's better to root for riders who prefer to win at all costs

 

[d-s3]

Contador on Sagan:
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/ciclismo/20180307/441338269606/contador-peter-sagan-es-el-mejor-talento-que-he-visto-un-super-clase.html

 

[portugal11]

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"I don't care about the victories, it's more about the show"

Oh please, I don't even wanna read that article. Thats pretty much why I never will be able to like or root for Sagan..

yeah... we should root for the uphill sprinters (in big races)