Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[Koronin]

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Sagan has beaten Valverde plenty of times in uphill sprints at the Tour.

When, other than Cherbourg 2016 and Seraing 2012?

Rodez in 2015 (Greg won, but Sagan was second).

That's not plenty of times.

 

[Leinster]

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no reason to go on holiday yet

Yes, there is. It's called Tour of California.

I love seeing Sagan at the ToC every year, but I do wish he'd try the Ardennes.

 

[Screecher]

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no reason to go on holiday yet

Yes, there is. It's called Tour of California.

I love seeing Sagan at the ToC every year, but I do wish he'd try the Ardennes.

He'd struggle to even get a top 10 result in Fleche and Liege, and California + Suisse preparation for TdF has worked very well for him so far so there's no reason to change that.

 

[Koronin]

Peter loves the Tour of California. He enjoys racing over here and he wants to be at that race. Plus he's a huge draw for it as well, so I'm sure the organizers want him over here as well. Since he always wanted to come race it before it was a WT race, there is no reason for him to miss it now that it is a WT race.

 

[Leinster]

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Sagan has beaten Valverde plenty of times in uphill sprints at the Tour.

When, other than Cherbourg 2016 and Seraing 2012?

Rodez in 2015 (Greg won, but Sagan was second).

That's not plenty of times.

Has the reverse happened plenty of times? Vuelta 2015, stage 4 into Vejer is one, but other than that?

 

[Billie]

Sagan wouldn't struggle in Liege. Matthews was 4th last year and right there for the sprint. Sagan is better version of Matthews

 

[El Pistolero]

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Peter loves the Tour of California. He enjoys racing over here and he wants to be at that race. Plus he's a huge draw for it as well, so I'm sure the organizers want him over here as well. Since he always wanted to come race it before it was a WT race, there is no reason for him to miss it now that it is a WT race.

California is vacation for Sagan. He doesn't take it very serious (except the one time he won the GC), but he can easily win a couple of stages there because the field isn't very good. It's a win-win situation for him.

 

[Screecher]

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Sagan wouldn't struggle in Liege. Matthews was 4th last year and right there for the sprint. Sagan is better version of Matthews

Matthews doesn't ride Roubaix or Flanders. That's different

 

[Bardamu]

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Sagan wouldn't struggle in Liege. Matthews was 4th last year and right there for the sprint. Sagan is better version of Matthews

Matthews doesn't ride Roubaix or Flanders. That's different

In almost every aspect, but I think Matthews is a bit better on longer climbs. This Sagan is not able to win LBL.

 

[Leinster]

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no reason to go on holiday yet

Yes, there is. It's called Tour of California.

I love seeing Sagan at the ToC every year, but I do wish he'd try the Ardennes.

He'd struggle to even get a top 10 result in Fleche and Liege, and California + Suisse preparation for TdF has worked very well for him so far so there's no reason to change that.

Fleche, granted.

Liege, when Matthews and Gerrans can get top 10 and even win on the current course, and with the Ans finish going away next year, is far from impossible for him.

I get that California fits into his season as-is, and it works for his Tour prep, and the crowds in CA love having him, but the traditionalist in me still feels that the best classics rider in the world ought to be riding the oldest classic. And (new, separate, argument here) it'd be a real shame if he went his whole career without racing the Giro.

 

[Leinster]

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Sagan wouldn't struggle in Liege. Matthews was 4th last year and right there for the sprint. Sagan is better version of Matthews

Matthews doesn't ride Roubaix or Flanders. That's different

GvA was 11th in Liege last year after winning everything there was to win on the cobbles.

 

[Koronin]

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Sagan wouldn't struggle in Liege. Matthews was 4th last year and right there for the sprint. Sagan is better version of Matthews

Matthews doesn't ride Roubaix or Flanders. That's different

GvA was 11th in Liege last year after winning everything there was to win on the cobbles.

Valverde's comment after Greg finished 11th at Liege last year was, if he can do that here I can get a top 10 at Paris-Roubaix. However, Greg had amazing form last year.

Also remember LBL is changing it's finishing town for next year.

 

[Leinster]

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Also remember LBL is changing it's finishing town for next year.

Exactly. Kelly won 2 LBLs into Liege, before the move to Ans. Unless the 60km before La Redoute are raced as hard as the 60km before Carrefour de l'Arbre, then I'd expect Sagan to still be with the other top contenders at that point, and you're into an end-game similar to what we saw today.

 

[SKSemtex]

Peter, thanks for wonderful 6 spring weeks.
Enjoy your holiday.

 

[Blanco]

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Sagan has beaten Valverde plenty of times in uphill sprints at the Tour.

When, other than Cherbourg 2016 and Seraing 2012?

Rodez in 2015 (Greg won, but Sagan was second).

That's not plenty of times.

Has the reverse happened plenty of times? Vuelta 2015, stage 4 into Vejer is one, but other than that?

Mur de Bretagne 2015

 

[hrotha]

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Sagan has beaten Valverde plenty of times in uphill sprints at the Tour.

When, other than Cherbourg 2016 and Seraing 2012?

Rodez in 2015 (Greg won, but Sagan was second).

Valverde was not in contention in the first place, that's not a case of Sagan beating him in an uphill sprint.

 

[Red Rick]

Stage 2 of the 2016 TdF was about as pure an uphill sprint as it gets.

 

[krakenKE]

Article about Sagan based on an interview in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/18/peter-sagan-pope-cyclist-cycling-paris-roubaix-interview?CMP=share_btn_fb

 

[Jancouver]

No posts since April 19th?

Is there another thread related to this freak that I missed or is he just not worth the conversation?

Just wondering ...

 

[DonEsteban]

Sagan is just being Sagan, nothing new to discuss...

 

[Jancouver]

Sagan is just being Sagan, nothing new to discuss...

I get it.

Non-sprinter beating Gaviria and the rest of the wannabe sprinters is not worth the discussion.

Luckily, we still have guys like Fatancur to talk about.

BTW, other than Sagan, who was the last TdF green jersey winner that also won Roubaix and De Ronde?

 

[King Boonen]

Tom Boonen.

 

[Blanco]

Sagan is a sprinter. Many things more, but definitely a sprinter.

 

[King Boonen]

I'm pretty sure Sagan is the 2nd non-Belgian to do it:

Sagan - SVK
Boonen - BEL
Vanderaerden - BEL
Godefroot - BEL
Merckx - BEL
Van Looy - BEL
Forestier - FRA

 

[Jancouver]

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I'm pretty sure Sagan is the 2nd non-Belgian to do it:

Sagan - SVK
Boonen - BEL
Vanderaerden - BEL
Godefroot - BEL
Merckx - BEL
Van Looy - BEL
Forestier - FRA

Thanks!

I knew about Merckx, but for some reason, I forgot about Boonen.