Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[toolittle]

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In my opinion, Nibali could be classified as greatest rider( if not greatest, will be very very close to the greatest)
At least, he won one of the most important race, TDF once.

He won Giro and Veulta easily when he is @ real peak. He won even he was not @ real peak.
He won MSR although the route not fit him well.
He won some important hilly classics which demand more on interval training rather than recovery and climbing abilities.

In my opinion, Contador is greatest for sure. Mark Cavendish is greatest for sure. Boonen and Cancellera are greatest for sure.

 

[toolittle]

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In my opinion, Nibali could be classified as greatest rider if not (very close to the greatest)
At least, he won one of the most important race, TDF once.

He won Giro and Veulta easily when he is @ real peak. He won even he was not @ real peak.
He won MSR although the route not fit him well.
He won some important hilly classics which demand more on interval training rather than recovery and climbing abilities.

In my opinion, Contador is greatest for sure. Mark Cavendish is greatest for sure. Boonen and Cancellera are greatest for sure.

Cycling races are not as structural as football. Too many factors.

I believe all of us understand winner UEFA Europa League means totally different from UEFA Champions League.
You cannot say "Win 5 UEFA Europa Leagues" = a win in UEFA Champions League.

Only UEFA Champions League counts when we are talking about best team.
UEFA Europa Leagues win means a good or great team or one of the top level team. Nothing means best.

 

[Dragontearz]

Is this still a Peter Sagan discussion thread?

 

[Jspear]

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Is this still a Peter Sagan discussion thread?

No. The most important thing to talk about in most threads these days is Valverde. Then we have to bring up Nibali.

I predict he’ll be 2nd in Amstel.

 

[Leinster]

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Is this still a Peter Sagan discussion thread?

No. The most important thing to talk about in most threads these days is Valverde. Then we have to bring up Nibali.

I predict he’ll be 2nd in Amstel.

Who, Nibali or Valverde?

 

[Koronin]

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Is this still a Peter Sagan discussion thread?

No. The most important thing to talk about in most threads these days is Valverde. Then we have to bring up Nibali.

I predict he’ll be 2nd in Amstel.

Who, Nibali or Valverde?

Maybe he's actually referring to Sagan. Unfortunately the he is ambiguous as we have no idea who is actually being referred to.

 

[Tonton]

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Stay on topic please.

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Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

 

[Jspear]

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Is this still a Peter Sagan discussion thread?

No. The most important thing to talk about in most threads these days is Valverde. Then we have to bring up Nibali.

I predict he’ll be 2nd in Amstel.

Who, Nibali or Valverde?

Maybe he's actually referring to Sagan. Unfortunately the he is ambiguous s we have no idea who is actually being referred to.

The he is of course talking about the rider who’s thread this is.

 

[SKSemtex]

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Stay on topic please.

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Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

Even peloton fully focused on him to lose this time, cannot stop him from the win.
He is in monstrous form and he has the great team here.
He can lose AGR only if he decide to help winning somebody else.
BTW I miss your pre-race prediction. You do not defend your title properly.

 

[Blanco]

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Stay on topic please.

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Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

Even peloton fully focused on him to lose this time, cannot stop him from the win.
He is in monstrous form and he has the great team here.
He can lose AGR only if he decide to help winning somebody else.
BTW I miss your pre-race prediction. You do not defend your title properly.

You're way too sure he will win tomorrow, I wouldn't be. There are too many top guns in this race, all on form. He's maybe the top favorite, but there are many ways for him to lose this race.

 

[Netserk]

He would hardly be able to do better on Keutenberg than Valverde did last year. There are several scenarios that would be difficult to handle for him, but I also have him as one of the main favourites.

 

[Jancouver]

[mod hat on]

Stay on topic please.

[mod hat off]

Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

Even peloton fully focused on him to lose this time, cannot stop him from the win.
He is in monstrous form and he has the great team here.
He can lose AGR only if he decide to help winning somebody else.
BTW I miss your pre-race prediction. You do not defend your title properly.

Are you referring to Sagan, Valverde or Nibali? :lol:

 

[Flamin]

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He would hardly be able to do better on Keutenberg than Valverde did last year. There are several scenarios that would be difficult to handle for him, but I also have him as one of the main favourites.

Than Kwiatkowski you mean?

 

[Netserk]

No. The point was that Valverde wasn't good enough there, so if Sagan was in the same situation, I wouldn't expect him to make the bridge (on the climb, but perhaps he could do so on the plateau...)

 

[Durden93]

[mod hat on]

Stay on topic please.

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Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

I don’t know if you’re right about the peloton marking Sagan but they absolutely should. Repeated short climbs are where Sagan thrives. On another note, how did Sagan go from a non-starter last year to this year’s pre-race favourite?

 

[Flamin]

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No. The point was that Valverde wasn't good enough there, so if Sagan was in the same situation, I wouldn't expect him to make the bridge (on the climb, but perhaps he could do so on the plateau...)

Got it. Fair enough.

 

[SKSemtex]

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No. The point was that Valverde wasn't good enough there, so if Sagan was in the same situation, I wouldn't expect him to make the bridge (on the climb, but perhaps he could do so on the plateau...)

Let's be honest. He couldn't. On the other hand last year Kwiatko and last year Gilbert will not be racing tommorow. Their started season together with Sagan and nothing indicates that their form can be superior to Sagan.

 

[tobydawq]

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Stay on topic please.

[mod hat off]

Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

I don’t know if you’re right about the peloton marking Sagan but they absolutely should. Repeated short climbs are where Sagan thrives. On another note, how did Sagan go from a non-starter last year to this year’s pre-race favourite?

What kind of weird logic is this?

The same way Froome will be the favourite for the Giro this year, I presume. Or the same way Valverde will be the favourite for a number of races in the autumn. Or the same way Nibali will be an outsider next Sunday in Liège.

Riders change their calendars from year to year and good riders will obviously be favourites in the new races they choose to target as long as they suit them...

 

[Jancouver]

What are the chances of Sagan riding Liege next week?

IMO he should do Liege just to see and learn (while supporting his team) if he can be competitive and target this race one day.

 

[Durden93]

[mod hat on]

Stay on topic please.

[mod hat off]

Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

I don’t know if you’re right about the peloton marking Sagan but they absolutely should. Repeated short climbs are where Sagan thrives. On another note, how did Sagan go from a non-starter last year to this year’s pre-race favourite?

What kind of weird logic is this?

The same way Froome will be the favourite for the Giro this year, I presume. Or the same way Valverde will be the favourite for a number of races in the autumn. Or the same way Nibali will be an outsider next Sunday in Liège.

Riders change their calendars from year to year and good riders will obviously be favourites in the new races they choose to target as long as they suit them...

My point was that I found it weird that Sagan wasn’t at all interested in the race last year but now he could win it. I think he’s a significant favourite at this point. Also, GTs are not remotely similiar to classics. GT routes change significantly from year to year whereas the classics routes stay largely the same.

 

[tobydawq]

[mod hat on]

Stay on topic please.

[mod hat off]

Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

I don’t know if you’re right about the peloton marking Sagan but they absolutely should. Repeated short climbs are where Sagan thrives. On another note, how did Sagan go from a non-starter last year to this year’s pre-race favourite?

What kind of weird logic is this?

The same way Froome will be the favourite for the Giro this year, I presume. Or the same way Valverde will be the favourite for a number of races in the autumn. Or the same way Nibali will be an outsider next Sunday in Liège.

Riders change their calendars from year to year and good riders will obviously be favourites in the new races they choose to target as long as they suit them...

My point was that I found it weird that Sagan wasn’t at all interested in the race last year but now he could win it. I think he’s a significant favourite at this point. Also, GTs are not remotely similiar to classics. GT routes change significantly from year to year whereas the classics routes stay largely the same.

He skipped the opening weekend and now extends the spring season one week, so compared to last year he has been racing for the same amount of weeks (six).

He wants his downtime before California which is why he usually stops after Roubaix. Last year he very unsuccessfully participated in the Rund um den Finanzplatz or whatever its name is, which proved that he didn't like racing between Roubaix and California (perhaps he had a hangover from a party thrown by Boonen the day before, though).

Another reason explaining his participation could be that he has an eye on the WorldTour ranking which he leads comfortably at the moment.

 

[Leinster]

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What are the chances of Sagan riding Liege next week?

IMO he should do Liege just to see and learn (while supporting his team) if he can be competitive and target this race one day.

Now that he’s won pretty much all there is to win in the 75kg+ weight division, it’d be great to see him try for some of the lumpier races. I still believe there isn’t a race on the calendar that he can’t win, if he has the focus and drive to go for it.

 

[Durden93]

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Stay on topic please.

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Sagan: can win anything unless the field rides against him. Add Valverde to the mix, and Sagan can somewhat fly under the radar. Danger.

Nibali, yes, is the best all-around rider, he's aggressive and will go for broke. Watch out. QS may find a way to screw it up and not podium. Alaf, Bardet, Martin? They can win.

But to me, in this mess and so many pretenders like in PR, Sagan won't be the focus, therefore he can win.

I'm not watching the start list, just got back from a 16 hour work day. After three of those. But if all participate, this will be a dog fight.

I don’t know if you’re right about the peloton marking Sagan but they absolutely should. Repeated short climbs are where Sagan thrives. On another note, how did Sagan go from a non-starter last year to this year’s pre-race favourite?

What kind of weird logic is this?

The same way Froome will be the favourite for the Giro this year, I presume. Or the same way Valverde will be the favourite for a number of races in the autumn. Or the same way Nibali will be an outsider next Sunday in Liège.

Riders change their calendars from year to year and good riders will obviously be favourites in the new races they choose to target as long as they suit them...

My point was that I found it weird that Sagan wasn’t at all interested in the race last year but now he could win it. I think he’s a significant favourite at this point. Also, GTs are not remotely similiar to classics. GT routes change significantly from year to year whereas the classics routes stay largely the same.

He skipped the opening weekend and now extends the spring season one week, so compared to last year he has been racing for the same amount of weeks (six).

He wants his downtime before California which is why he usually stops after Roubaix. Last year he very unsuccessfully participated in the Rund um den Finanzplatz or whatever its name is, which proved that he didn't like racing between Roubaix and California (perhaps he had a hangover from a party thrown by Boonen the day before, though).

Another reason explaining his participation could be that he has an eye on the WorldTour ranking which he leads comfortably at the moment.

Right, I completely forgot he skipped the opening weekend. That changes things quite a bit.

 

[SKSemtex]

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What are the chances of Sagan riding Liege next week?

IMO he should do Liege just to see and learn (while supporting his team) if he can be competitive and target this race one day.

Now that he’s won pretty much all there is to win in the 75kg+ weight division, it’d be great to see him try for some of the lumpier races. I still believe there isn’t a race on the calendar that he can’t win, if he has the focus and drive to go for it.

Me too. I would prefer him to go for all 5 then try to collect another RVV and PR.

 

[Durden93]

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What are the chances of Sagan riding Liege next week?

IMO he should do Liege just to see and learn (while supporting his team) if he can be competitive and target this race one day.

Now that he’s won pretty much all there is to win in the 75kg+ weight division, it’d be great to see him try for some of the lumpier races. I still believe there isn’t a race on the calendar that he can’t win, if he has the focus and drive to go for it.

I really doubt Sagan would be able to beat Valverde and Alaphilippe with so much racing in his legs. Maybe if he peaked for it he could but I doubt it.