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I wonder, if his finishes up the tourmalet and prat d'albi and the time he lost there were sign of a fatigue or he's just trying to save as much energy as possible for the coming stages and maybe to win in Paris, he doesn't have that in his palmares yet. He was slower then Groenewegen and other non climbing sprinters, so it's weird.
 
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tomorrow said:
I wonder, if his finishes up the tourmalet and prat d'albi and the time he lost there were sign of a fatigue or he's just trying to save as much energy as possible for the coming stages and maybe to win in Paris, he doesn't have that in his palmares yet. He was slower then Groenewegen and other non climbing sprinters, so it's weird.
He is definitely trying to save energy. He aims for stages 16, 17 and 21. Moreover he may be expected to work for Buchmann/Konrad (recall his work for Kreuziger in 2016).

As he was giving autographs and doing wheelies on Tourmalet I do not think that he is totally spent.
 
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Definitely saving energy for next couple of stages. I doubt Bora will try to control break in 17th stage because they need to look after Buchmann so i think he will try to win it from break. Col de la Sentinelle is not hard enough to drop rested Sagan in 3rd week of Grand Tour so he will fancy his chances pretty much i suppose.
 
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boneshaker said:
tomorrow said:
I wonder, if his finishes up the tourmalet and prat d'albi and the time he lost there were sign of a fatigue or he's just trying to save as much energy as possible for the coming stages and maybe to win in Paris, he doesn't have that in his palmares yet. He was slower then Groenewegen and other non climbing sprinters, so it's weird.
He is definitely trying to save energy. He aims for stages 16, 17 and 21. Moreover he may be expected to work for Buchmann/Konrad (recall his work for Kreuziger in 2016).

As he was giving autographs and doing wheelies on Tourmalet I do not think that he is totally spent.
How is giving autograhps and doing wheelies sign of not being fatigued? Both requieres almost zero energy to do. Nobody said he was dying there.
 
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del1962 said:
Sagan calls on CPA to take action over extreme heat, what action does he want?
- Start early in the morning? Start at 7, finish at ~12. Not good for the couch peloton though.
- Shorten the stage to Valloire, so you can actually end that marathon stage at 12. (skip the Col de Vars and go straight from Embrun to Guillestre and the Izoard)
- Increase time limit
- More water bottles/ice from the neutral motorcycles?
 
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Valanga said:
del1962 said:
Sagan calls on CPA to take action over extreme heat, what action does he want?
- Start early in the morning? Start at 7, finish at ~12. Not good for the couch peloton though.
- Shorten the stage to Valloire, so you can actually end that marathon stage at 12. (skip the Col de Vars and go straight from Embrun to Guillestre and the Izoard)
- Increase time limit
- More water bottles/ice from the neutral motorcycles?
The last two of those make sense. But the first two are not really fair on the riders who perform better in heat relatively to others. You wouldn't change a classics course because of a strong cross wind or cold conditions, which are more potentially dangerous than heat, - so why change the course or timings of the Tour?

The heat is more about comfort than a safety issue, given the support the riders have on the road these days. So if you don't like it; don't choose to ride in France in July.
 
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DFA123 said:
Valanga said:
del1962 said:
Sagan calls on CPA to take action over extreme heat, what action does he want?
- Start early in the morning? Start at 7, finish at ~12. Not good for the couch peloton though.
- Shorten the stage to Valloire, so you can actually end that marathon stage at 12. (skip the Col de Vars and go straight from Embrun to Guillestre and the Izoard)
- Increase time limit
- More water bottles/ice from the neutral motorcycles?
The last two of those make sense. But the first two are not really fair on the riders who perform better in heat relatively to others. You wouldn't change a classics course because of a strong cross wind or cold conditions, which are more potentially dangerous than heat, - so why change the course or timings of the Tour?

The heat is more about comfort than a safety issue, given the support the riders have on the road these days. So if you don't like it; don't choose to ride in France in July.
This is just plain false, riding long climbs in very hot weather is a definitive safety issue. Teams employ excellent mitigation strategies, but i bet you riders are getting off their bikes with highly dangerous core temperature values. We don't see dramatic falling-off-your bike heat strokes, but these guys are riding a thin edge.
 
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DFA123 said:
Valanga said:
del1962 said:
Sagan calls on CPA to take action over extreme heat, what action does he want?
- Start early in the morning? Start at 7, finish at ~12. Not good for the couch peloton though.
- Shorten the stage to Valloire, so you can actually end that marathon stage at 12. (skip the Col de Vars and go straight from Embrun to Guillestre and the Izoard)
- Increase time limit
- More water bottles/ice from the neutral motorcycles?
The last two of those make sense. But the first two are not really fair on the riders who perform better in heat relatively to others. You wouldn't change a classics course because of a strong cross wind or cold conditions, which are more potentially dangerous than heat, - so why change the course or timings of the Tour?

The heat is more about comfort than a safety issue, given the support the riders have on the road these days. So if you don't like it; don't choose to ride in France in July.
I'm not an expert, but it doesn't sound healthy to do such efforts in +40. (or +38, or 35?). If the experts agree, then it is a safety issue and they should do something about it.
There is a bad weather protocol (which, afaik, doesn't say anything about heat though), and races do get cancelled or altered because of that.
 
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gerundium said:
DFA123 said:
Valanga said:
del1962 said:
Sagan calls on CPA to take action over extreme heat, what action does he want?
- Start early in the morning? Start at 7, finish at ~12. Not good for the couch peloton though.
- Shorten the stage to Valloire, so you can actually end that marathon stage at 12. (skip the Col de Vars and go straight from Embrun to Guillestre and the Izoard)
- Increase time limit
- More water bottles/ice from the neutral motorcycles?
The last two of those make sense. But the first two are not really fair on the riders who perform better in heat relatively to others. You wouldn't change a classics course because of a strong cross wind or cold conditions, which are more potentially dangerous than heat, - so why change the course or timings of the Tour?

The heat is more about comfort than a safety issue, given the support the riders have on the road these days. So if you don't like it; don't choose to ride in France in July.
This is just plain false, riding long climbs in very hot weather is a definitive safety issue. Teams employ excellent mitigation strategies, but i bet you riders are getting off their bikes with highly dangerous core temperature values. We don't see dramatic falling-off-your bike heat strokes, but these guys are riding a thin edge.
'Highly dangerous core temperature values? What ridiculous hyperbole.

Fact is, the race shouldn't be tailored to the needs of a few lame northern and eastern europeans who can't handle it when it gets above 30C.
 
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DFA123 said:
'Highly dangerous core temperature values? What ridiculous hyperbole.

Fact is, the race shouldn't be tailored to the needs of a few lame northern and eastern europeans who can't handle it when it gets above 30C.
Of course. However the complaint was made by a central european who is the world champion from Doha.
 
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DFA123 said:
gerundium said:
DFA123 said:
Valanga said:
del1962 said:
Sagan calls on CPA to take action over extreme heat, what action does he want?
- Start early in the morning? Start at 7, finish at ~12. Not good for the couch peloton though.
- Shorten the stage to Valloire, so you can actually end that marathon stage at 12. (skip the Col de Vars and go straight from Embrun to Guillestre and the Izoard)
- Increase time limit
- More water bottles/ice from the neutral motorcycles?
The last two of those make sense. But the first two are not really fair on the riders who perform better in heat relatively to others. You wouldn't change a classics course because of a strong cross wind or cold conditions, which are more potentially dangerous than heat, - so why change the course or timings of the Tour?

The heat is more about comfort than a safety issue, given the support the riders have on the road these days. So if you don't like it; don't choose to ride in France in July.
This is just plain false, riding long climbs in very hot weather is a definitive safety issue. Teams employ excellent mitigation strategies, but i bet you riders are getting off their bikes with highly dangerous core temperature values. We don't see dramatic falling-off-your bike heat strokes, but these guys are riding a thin edge.
'Highly dangerous core temperature values? What ridiculous hyperbole.

Fact is, the race shouldn't be tailored to the needs of a few lame northern and eastern europeans who can't handle it when it gets above 30C.
fact is it was nearing 40C yesterday...and i dont need to explain how direct sun bounces of asphalt roads to create a layer of extremely hot air, i happen to actually like extremely hot temperatures, i used to go cycling after lunch hours when the temperatures are the highest but i have friends who can barely handle 35C losers :D

anyway football games have mandatory water breaks, if you work in extremely hot weather you have right to get water breaks by law so cycling isnt different (obviously you cant stop the race) but one day its gonna be perfect storm of high temperature + slow stage and its gonna be mayhem out there
 
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Now when he is sole leader in green jerseys I am curious what attitude he will have about TDF. I think this was his big career goal to set this record. I read yesterday that Buchmann wants more domestiques for himself. If that is true I doubt they will bring Ackermann to the Tour. Or maybe they will bring Ackermann, Sagan as his lead-out and then climbing squad. But imho Sagan will not contest green. Or he will skip Tour and will ride Giro. But Specialized won´t be glad to hear that :lol:
 
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Now when he is sole leader in green jerseys I am curious what attitude he will have about TDF. I think this was his big career goal to set this record. I read yesterday that Buchmann wants more domestiques for himself. If that is true I doubt they will bring Ackermann to the Tour. Or maybe they will bring Ackermann, Sagan as his lead-out and then climbing squad. But imho Sagan will not contest green. Or he will skip Tour and will ride Giro. But Specialized won´t be glad to hear that :lol:
Sagan only really need Oss and maybe Burghardt. He dont need a sprint train.

Buchmann with Konrad, Muhlberger and one more climbing dom should be more than enough. Another rouler to complete the squad.


But yeah, what they do with Ackermann is interesting. He for sure also wants to ride the Tour at some point.
 
I wonder what PS (and I suppose his sponsors) want next. Another green jersey doesn't seem 'exciting'.

Now, I would love to see a few other guys step up and make the completion exciting. Even if PS wins another, a five rider battle would be cool!
 

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