Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[IndianCyclist]

Start season with yet another second in San Luis

 

[nightfend]

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Second. And so it begins...

I know, right? It's like he really does try for 2nd or something.

 

[Jelantik]

Re: Peter Sagan - 2015

New season for Peter Sagan slowly coming, but who would like to reminisce on the highlights of the previous (seen from Pete Sagan), I give attention to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBjfT5y_P2k

Thank you and have a nice watching.

Wow. Great Video! Great Editing and Music. Thank you for sharing. I'm glad he won the WC. He was definitely the most consistent rider throughout 2015.

 

[Kwibus]

Re: Peter Sagan - 2015

New season for Peter Sagan slowly coming, but who would like to reminisce on the highlights of the previous (seen from Pete Sagan), I give attention to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBjfT5y_P2k

Thank you and have a nice watching.

Great video! Really well done.

Sagan is a rider I used to dislike, but is one of my favourites now.

 

[Kwibus]

Re: Peter Sagan - 2015

New season for Peter Sagan slowly coming, but who would like to reminisce on the highlights of the previous (seen from Pete Sagan), I give attention to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBjfT5y_P2k

Thank you and have a nice watching.

Wow. Great Video! Great Editing and Music. Thank you for sharing. I'm glad he won the WC. He was definitely the most consistent rider throughout 2015.

That video shows on how many different terrains he contests for the win. Unfortunately for him it usually ends up in a 2nd place for him, but fortunately for me thats one of the reasons I like him.

 

[huge]

Sagan gets a present from Nibali (before the start of stage 4 at Tour de San Luis)
The two have been very very good friends since the time they were riding together in Liquigas.

https://youtu.be/bSsykpm2XFQ

VN: ...with love
PS: ...[...]... thank you
VN: ...come on, show it!
PS: NO!
everybody laugh...
PS: I don't want it!
VN: don't you want it? Sure? Come on!



It seems that Sagan is currently riding without shaving his legs.
It must be a world champion 2016 resolution

 

[Guybrush]

Pretty funny =)

 

[Jancouver]

Happy 26th birthday Peter!

https://youtu.be/L_b6P7C34I4

 

[IndianCyclist]

Sagan's Second Saga of Seconds starts

 

[Scarponi]

One day he will come third

 

[phanatic]

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Sagan's Second Saga of Seconds starts

"He's back" takes on new meanings with Peter.

 

[Kwibus]

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Sagan's Second Saga of Seconds starts

Whatever. I like him a lot more since he started winning less.
Besides every rider in the first group deserve kudos for attacking and making it stick.

Gooo Peter!

 

[Jancouver]

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Sagan's Second Saga of Seconds starts

Whatever. I like him a lot more since he started winning less.
Besides every rider in the first group deserve kudos for attacking and making it stick.

Gooo Peter!

I agree, the way he bridged over to the breakaway was a phenomenal display of his strength.

He worked hard all day but towards the end, he did look spent. Either he does not have it for the longer races or he is just rusty from his longer break between racing.

 

[IndianCyclist]

another 2nd in TA 2nd stage

 

[Kwibus]

No luck for him. If only today he used his 1-shot only attack just before Stybar wnet there was no way in hell they would bring him back on that final technical descent.
Unfortunately this time he figured let's keep my powder dry and wait for the finish....

 

[Billie]

very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

 

[HelloDolly]

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very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

No Sagan should have be on STYbar's wheel...he is the guy being paid 4 million euros and the supposed best rider

Gatto probably hadn't the legs...that was easily the move to follow so where was Sagan ?

 

[coimbrawu]

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very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

No Sagan should have be on STYbar's wheel...he is the guy being paid 4 million euros and the supposed best rider

Gatto probably hadn't the legs...that was easily the move to follow so where was Sagan ?

definitely should be Sagan to be on Stybar's wheel. It is just as the same mistake as the stage Stybar won in last year's tour.

 

[tomorrow]

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very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

No Sagan should have be on STYbar's wheel...he is the guy being paid 4 million euros and the supposed best rider

Gatto probably hadn't the legs...that was easily the move to follow so where was Sagan ?

Well, sagan should have been on stybars wheel, but I think he's not there yet, thats why gatto was marking the moves, no sagan. Had he had the legs, he would have been in front, as he's been so many times, and maybe would have attacked himselft before stybar. He must have known the finish is so much in favour of a lone attacker.
On the contrary, this time, he went in the second half of the group up the hill. This tells me, that he's not good in such rumps so far. His racing in Strade Bianche confirms it, he tried to to work hardly to drop everybody before the finish in sienna, because he had known he hadn't had the upper hand in that steep ramp on cancellara and stybar. 2 or 3 years ago, hell even last year(when his form finally came) he would have eat them alive there.
For him, there's only hope that he can get there till Flanders.

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Re:

very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

No Sagan should have be on STYbar's wheel...he is the guy being paid 4 million euros and the supposed best rider

Gatto probably hadn't the legs...that was easily the move to follow so where was Sagan ?

Well, sagan should have been on stybars wheel, but I think he's not there yet, thats why gatto was marking the moves, no sagan. Had he had the legs, he would have been in front, as he's been so many times, and maybe would have attacked himselft before stybar. He must have known the finish is so much in favour of a lone attacker.
On the contrary, this time, he went in the second half of the group up the hill. This tells me, that he's not good in such rumps so far. His racing in Strade Bianche confirms it, he tried to to work hardly to drop everybody before the finish in sienna, because he had known he hadn't had the upper hand in that steep ramp on cancellara and stybar. 2 or 3 years ago, hell even last year(when his form finally came) he would have eat them alive there.
For him, there's only hope that he can get there till Flanders.

Well if that is the case blaming Gatto for not covering the move would hardly have helped ? Sagan would not have won anyway...and once Stybar got away there was no catching him on those corners

So the issue really is why Sagan does not have the legs at this stage of the season?? If Stybar, GVA , Cancelera have then why doesn't he

 

[tomorrow]

Re: Re:

very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

No Sagan should have be on STYbar's wheel...he is the guy being paid 4 million euros and the supposed best rider

Gatto probably hadn't the legs...that was easily the move to follow so where was Sagan ?

Well, sagan should have been on stybars wheel, but I think he's not there yet, thats why gatto was marking the moves, no sagan. Had he had the legs, he would have been in front, as he's been so many times, and maybe would have attacked himselft before stybar. He must have known the finish is so much in favour of a lone attacker.
On the contrary, this time, he went in the second half of the group up the hill. This tells me, that he's not good in such rumps so far. His racing in Strade Bianche confirms it, he tried to to work hardly to drop everybody before the finish in sienna, because he had known he hadn't had the upper hand in that steep ramp on cancellara and stybar. 2 or 3 years ago, hell even last year(when his form finally came) he would have eat them alive there.
For him, there's only hope that he can get there till Flanders.

Well if that is the case blaming Gatto for not covering the move would hardly have helped ? Sagan would not have won anyway...and once Stybar got away there was no catching him on those corners

So the issue really is why Sagan does not have the legs at this stage of the season?? If Stybar, GVA , Cancelera have then why doesn't he

Well, I didn't blame Gatto. As far as his current shape is concerned, he sacrificed nearly whole ferbruary for training, and Avarmaet, Stybar and Cancellara were already in races. Imho, he can't be compared to them. MSR or E3 will be much better benchmarks. Last year Stybar peaked to early, Sagan peaked a little too late. On flanders, had he had Gatto in the finish, the result could be others, as there was nobody who would make the race harder, in Roubaix he had mechanical, so only god knows, If he would be able to beat Degenkolb, but he sure hadn't looked tired as he did in E3 that year in example. So it's all about timing. He knows that to beat Cancellara, he has to be in his best shape of his life, otherwise it won't be enought and he will be drop on Kwaaremont or Patterberg again.
And to be honest, he needs to win something big this year. Not only for the new contract, but also because of the fact that Cancellara is quiting. Winning Flanders or Roubaix against him would be much bigger achievement compared to win in future "post Cancellara" years.

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Re:

very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

No Sagan should have be on STYbar's wheel...he is the guy being paid 4 million euros and the supposed best rider

Gatto probably hadn't the legs...that was easily the move to follow so where was Sagan ?

Well, sagan should have been on stybars wheel, but I think he's not there yet, thats why gatto was marking the moves, no sagan. Had he had the legs, he would have been in front, as he's been so many times, and maybe would have attacked himselft before stybar. He must have known the finish is so much in favour of a lone attacker.
On the contrary, this time, he went in the second half of the group up the hill. This tells me, that he's not good in such rumps so far. His racing in Strade Bianche confirms it, he tried to to work hardly to drop everybody before the finish in sienna, because he had known he hadn't had the upper hand in that steep ramp on cancellara and stybar. 2 or 3 years ago, hell even last year(when his form finally came) he would have eat them alive there.
For him, there's only hope that he can get there till Flanders.

Well if that is the case blaming Gatto for not covering the move would hardly have helped ? Sagan would not have won anyway...and once Stybar got away there was no catching him on those corners

So the issue really is why Sagan does not have the legs at this stage of the season?? If Stybar, GVA , Cancelera have then why doesn't he

Well, I didn't blame Gatto. As far as his current shape is concerned, he sacrificed nearly whole ferbruary for training, and Avarmaet, Stybar and Cancellara were already in races. Imho, he can't be compared to them. MSR or E3 will be much better benchmarks. Last year Stybar peaked to early, Sagan peaked a little too late. On flanders, had he had Gatto in the finish, the result could be others, as there was nobody who would make the race harder, in Roubaix he had mechanical, so only god knows, If he would be able to beat Degenkolb, but he sure hadn't looked tired as he did in E3 that year in example. So it's all about timing. He knows that to beat Cancellara, he has to be in his best shape of his life, otherwise it won't be enought and he will be drop on Kwaaremont or Patterberg again.
And to be honest, he needs to win something big this year. Not only for the new contract, but also because of the fact that Cancellara is quiting. Winning Flanders or Roubaix against him would be much bigger achievement compared to win in future "post Cancellara" years.

Yeah..Sagan better win a big monument this year ...not just for the prestige of beating Cancelera but if he doesn't Olge Tinkov will never let it go

 

[tomorrow]

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Yeah..Sagan better win a big monument this year ...not just for the prestige of beating Cancelera but if he doesn't Olge Tinkov will never let it go

Have I missed something? Isn't Tinkov quiting with cycling this year? As he won't be sagans boss anymore, who cares about his "lady times" moans.

 

[KGB]

Re: Re:

very bad tactics by TInkoff today.

First they go 4 in line before the final hill but there is no point cause Sagan never follows these trains and is much better at finding position on his own.
And when Stybar attacked Gatto should always have been on his wheel immediately. No reason not to.

No Sagan should have be on STYbar's wheel...he is the guy being paid 4 million euros and the supposed best rider

Gatto probably hadn't the legs...that was easily the move to follow so where was Sagan ?

Well, sagan should have been on stybars wheel, but I think he's not there yet, thats why gatto was marking the moves, no sagan. Had he had the legs, he would have been in front, as he's been so many times, and maybe would have attacked himselft before stybar. He must have known the finish is so much in favour of a lone attacker.
On the contrary, this time, he went in the second half of the group up the hill. This tells me, that he's not good in such rumps so far. His racing in Strade Bianche confirms it, he tried to to work hardly to drop everybody before the finish in sienna, because he had known he hadn't had the upper hand in that steep ramp on cancellara and stybar. 2 or 3 years ago, hell even last year(when his form finally came) he would have eat them alive there.
For him, there's only hope that he can get there till Flanders.

Well if that is the case blaming Gatto for not covering the move would hardly have helped ? Sagan would not have won anyway...and once Stybar got away there was no catching him on those corners

So the issue really is why Sagan does not have the legs at this stage of the season?? If Stybar, GVA , Cancelera have then why doesn't he

Well, I didn't blame Gatto. As far as his current shape is concerned, he sacrificed nearly whole ferbruary for training, and Avarmaet, Stybar and Cancellara were already in races. Imho, he can't be compared to them. MSR or E3 will be much better benchmarks. Last year Stybar peaked to early, Sagan peaked a little too late. On flanders, had he had Gatto in the finish, the result could be others, as there was nobody who would make the race harder, in Roubaix he had mechanical, so only god knows, If he would be able to beat Degenkolb, but he sure hadn't looked tired as he did in E3 that year in example. So it's all about timing. He knows that to beat Cancellara, he has to be in his best shape of his life, otherwise it won't be enought and he will be drop on Kwaaremont or Patterberg again.
And to be honest, he needs to win something big this year. Not only for the new contract, but also because of the fact that Cancellara is quiting. Winning Flanders or Roubaix against him would be much bigger achievement compared to win in future "post Cancellara" years.

Yes exactly.He is not there and that's why he could not follow Styby wheel.If he feel strong and good he always show up which is always tactical Sagan mistake).
No,he has contract even for next year with 4mil(even big Olga is quitting cycling) so need to show something next season,still plenty of time).

 

[infeXio]

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Yes exactly.He is not there and that's why he could not follow Styby wheel.If he feel strong and good he always show up which is always tactical Sagan mistake).
No,he has contract even for next year with 4mil(even big Olga is quitting cycling) so need to show something next season,still plenty of time).

His contract is with the Tinkoff team, and if it shuts down without anyone buying its license, he won't be bound by any contract..