So after this TdF can we agree not to say things like "Sagan isn't a pure sprinter"? He IS a pure sprinter who also happens to be good at other things...a versatile pure sprinter. Does he have the top speed of say Kittel when Kittel is 100%, not quite maybe, but pretty close. Plus several of the top speed guys are either 100% or 90% whereas PS is 100% or 99%.
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"Pure sprinter" -> Someone who functions only a sprinter and not much else
Sagan is not a pure sprinter
Enrique Sanz is much slower than Sagan. But he's still a pure sprinter.
jmdirt said:
"Pure sprinter" -> Someone who functions only a sprinter and not much else
Sagan is not a pure sprinter
Enrique Sanz is much slower than Sagan. But he's still a pure sprinter.
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Oh, for some reason I thought they knew each other for awhile couple years.
saganftw said:
Oh, for some reason I thought they knew each other for awhile couple years.
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Because it is a sad thing to happen no matter the circumstances. This could be a good thing for both that they are breaking up because they don't love each other anymore or for whatever reason. It is sad because someone you spent intimate time with, got married to, mother to your child, and you thought you knew the person only to be surprised by this to happen.
Getting a divorce, breakup, or even losing a friend is never fun, especially when you never saw it coming. We don't know the details but both are most likely sad about it in someway.
jmdirt said:
Because it is a sad thing to happen no matter the circumstances. This could be a good thing for both that they are breaking up because they don't love each other anymore or for whatever reason. It is sad because someone you spent intimate time with, got married to, mother to your child, and you thought you knew the person only to be surprised by this to happen.
Getting a divorce, breakup, or even losing a friend is never fun, especially when you never saw it coming. We don't know the details but both are most likely sad about it in someway.
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Maybe the semantics here are that some guys are ONLY sprinters, while others are VERSATILE sprinters. To me the PURE part is the physical ability to sprint well...again, maybe just semantics.
By that definition he is not a pure sprinter. But my assertion is that he IS a pure sprinter who can also do other things really well. I don't know exactly when to point at, but most pure sprinters also used to be able to do more so maybe PS is a throw-back. Just for fun, I'm going to blame Cipo even though he actually had a few other tricks at one time. Maybe Abdou? I don't know...GuyIncognito said:
Maybe the semantics here are that some guys are ONLY sprinters, while others are VERSATILE sprinters. To me the PURE part is the physical ability to sprint well...again, maybe just semantics.
Yes, we're discussing cycling terms, that falls under semantics.
I understand what you mean, I'm just telling you how people use the term
I understand what you mean, I'm just telling you how people use the term
Worth noting again how good his team has been. This may be the strongest group of support riders he has ever had in a major race. And all of the big lumps made it over the Alps with no difficulties. Postlberger and Burghardt were particularly prominent today, but they e all done a good job. They don’t provide a final lead out, but they do everything else. Sagan, of course is more capable than most of faring for himself, but having a strong team makes it all that bit easier.
I've always thought of Peter more as a sprinter/classics rider and either a pure sprinter or a classics specialist.
With the passing of the years he's becoming faster and faster on the flat, I think at the moment we can consider him a "durable" sprinter whereas when he was young he was more a fast puncheur that could also climb quite well on longer climbs when he wanted, something that he couldn't do anymore.
I think Sagan shouldn't have gone in the break today and instead should have done that tomorrow. Yeah he ended up being quite good today as well but I don't think he ever had much of a chance to really win while tomorrow he would be one of my favorites. He would probably be able to limit his losses on the climb and then could probably catch most climbers on the descent and the flat where he would be by far superior. After all there is often a lot of regrouping on these kind of stages.
I disagree, noone will work with Sagan tomorrow, if he even makes it to the front after the last climb.Gigs_98 said:
12km at 6% is too hard I think. It's gonna take 3 times as long to climb as today's climb.Gigs_98 said:
I'm pretty sure he lost a minute on Col de Manse a few years ago, and tomorrow's stage will be eyed by every decent climber who's out of GC contention.
If anything I think Sagan maybe should've tried to be in the same move as Stuyven today.
I think some of the riders in today's break didn't necessarily plan beforehand to join it, but it kind of happened because sitting near the front is just the best position to be in heavy crosswinds. Then Sky literally sat up and it was more or less a free ticket so might as well pick it up.
pictures of injured Sagan after todays crash.
https://sport24.pluska.sk/fotogaleria/?foto=&clanok=16859
https://sport24.pluska.sk/fotogaleria/?foto=&clanok=16859
https://twitter.com/BorjaCuadrado/status/1022173687573819396
Apparently he is going to continue. Four more stages so fight for it Peter. It would be a massive shame if you lost another green jersey.
Apparently he is going to continue.
Four more stages so fight for it Peter. It would be a massive shame if you lost another green jersey.
He can sit in a coast to Paris now pretty much. Would be the sensible option then try for the Champs.
He needs to continue...Demare in the green jersey would be a complete joke considering the fact that he should have been DQ in the alps.
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Yes just read that! Hopefully he’s not too sore!
Hugo Koblet said:"After I fly into the forest and hit big rock with my ***"
Yes just read that! Hopefully he’s not too sore!
Seems he's definitely starting, recently tweeted that Le Tour isn't over, 4 more stages to go. Will see what sort of shape he's in as the race unfolds, either being nursed along or trying out for another win.
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