Phil Liggert claims Federal investigators paid people to lie about Armstrong

[broken chain]

You people haven't figured it out yet?
Phil was Lances courier!

 

[thehog]

My understanding is this is about to printed into a story seeking comment from Phil.

 

[Cloxxki]

You people haven't figured it out yet?
Phil was Lances courier!

The truth is usually bizarre than we can make up. So as you made this up, it's probabaly not quite the truth. You just ruined the thought for me!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Funny!

I have their email addresses, though. You should have added Lance's!

Dave.

Nooooo t.weisel@usacycling.org I think it is not controversial at this point to suggest Wonderboy is just the talent. The manager tells the talent where to go and what to say and do.

My old address, l.armstrong@usacdf.org bounces back as undeliverable. I just checked over there, they took Wonderboy's silver (Atlanta???) medal down. Huh... For a guy railroaded by an unjust system and conspired against by evil Boulder, CO forces, at least a couple of people in USAC are towing the IOC line.

 

[COMO CYCO]

I have a question. Phil talks about Lance being a motivational speaker for livestrong. I know its off topic a bit, but when Lance speaks for livestrong is he taking a motivational speakers fee ?

Hope not, those are pretty hefty, as much as I dont like the man I dont want to presume he is completely dirty...until I get the answer that is.

A little off topic - but in response to this question:

"...when he spoke at the inaugural Pelotonia cancer ride in Columbus, Ohio, in August 2009, he [LA] charged the startup charity his usual $200,000 speaking fee, including $100,000 worth of NetJets time, courtesy of Pelotonia sponsor and NetJets founder Rich Santulli." (Bill Gifford, Outside Magazine, Feb 2012)

During Armstrong's 2009 comeback, which was intended to "raise awareness for cancer" as proclaimed by him (remember the slogan "Hope Returns"), he bragged about riding for free - asking for no salary from Astana. In 2009 the Cancer Council SA joined forces with the Tour Down Under designed to drive cancer awareness, education and research in Australia. Sources say that Armstrong charged the Tour Down Under between $1 and $2 million as an appearance fee. ref.

Real philanthropic individual, eh?

 

[richwagmn]

You think Ligget didn't know?

Wasn't there a quote from Ligget where he asked LA to look him the eyes and say he didn't dope and that was good enough for him?

I wish Phil would just go away.

 

[happychappy]

Tommy D? ....

I heard 2013 is going to be his year.

 

[cineteq]

Hope you like it
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...nesses-bought-usada-lacks-jurisdiction_236877

 

[thehog]

Hope you like it
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...nesses-bought-usada-lacks-jurisdiction_236877

Well done!

Also here: http://inrng.com/2012/08/can-liggett-save-armstrong/

"Again I come back, why is USADA which is really a nefarious locals drugs agency in the United States so intent?

Now I can tell you one thing. And I could prove it in SA but I, I went to, I met a chap who worked with Armstrong, err, on Saturday in Boulder Colorado. And he told me that he had a visit, two years ago, err to tell, and the question was, they were agents from a particular agency and, er, they said “will you tell us that Lance Armstrong took EPO? And we could assure that you will never want for money again“. That was his quote on Thursday and he told them in words I can’t put on radio what to do with that and they said “I think we’re talking to the wrong man” and they walked away."

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Nooooo t.weisel@usacycling.org I think it is not controversial at this point to suggest Wonderboy is just the talent. The manager tells the talent where to go and what to say and do.

My old address, l.armstrong@usacdf.org bounces back as undeliverable. I just checked over there, they took Wonderboy's silver (Atlanta???) medal down. Huh... For a guy railroaded by an unjust system and conspired against by evil Boulder, CO forces, at least a couple of people in USAC are towing the IOC line.

Do you actually follow cycling or are you just baiting and trolling? Atlanta Silver? WTF

 

[Benotti69]

"Armstrong set to be allowed to keep Sydney 2000 Olympic medal despite drug ban."

under the Olympic Charter, the IOC maintain an eight-year statute of limitations on drug-related offences, which means that they are unable to strip Armstrong of a medal won more than a decade ago.

A spokesman for the IOC said that they could not comment on the situation until the International Cycling Union (UCI) received the report of its findings from USADA and decided what action to take.

Is this sloppy researched journalism as no doubt they will have exceptions that allow medals to be stripped from dopers.

 

[Elagabalus]

This should surprise no one. This old fool has been complicit from the very beginning. He's a liar and a fraud, just like his hero, so this is just par for the course.

Rides on the Livestrong jet, lots of free meals and other occasional "benefits", and Phil is a friend for life. At the end of the day, these guys are just as responsible for the problems of doping than Lance Armstrong himself. Only with willing and complicit journalists could the fraud have continued for this long.

I think you're being a tad overwrought. A fraud? With Phil you pretty much get what you get. You can, of course, say that you never liked his schtick but I think he was actually there in the commentating box all those years. He never came across as somebody he wasn't. Maybe a few years he was on Ritalin calling the sprints but that's all in the past ...

As to the charge of being complicit from the beginning-well he certainly was around the Reality Distortion Field from the very beginning. Perhaps that explains his current mania. Poor man has just been subjected to near lethal doses of RDF for far too long.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Do you actually follow cycling or are you just baiting and trolling? Atlanta Silver? WTF

Using my faulty memory is the right answer. The right answer is 2000/Sydney/Bronze.

It turns out their posted results are kind of messy.

The road racing World Championships results have been changed, voiding his title on this page: http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=954

The Olympic results are buried here, but still have him as third: http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=952

Who knows if the IOC will let his old doping results stand. My guess is as anti-doping controversy as they are, they will have to vacate those results too.

Phil could put a call into the IOC and tell them all about the Boulder Conspiracy in order to protect the Bronze. Let's see how that goes over.

 

[ulrikmm]

Do you actually follow cycling or are you just baiting and trolling? Atlanta Silver? WTF

Rolf Sørensen took the silver in Atlanta d*****s

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Not really that shocked. He's ridden on the corrupt back of LA's scheme for some time.

Can someone provide an email address for Phil and/or his employer?

I first suggest you contact and put pressure on the cycling media. You can start right here at CN, asking them why this isn't on the front page, and request someone pressure Phil for answers. Do the same for every other cycling media outlet you can think of. Any sports media outlet you can think of that even covers cycling from time to time. Birds of a feather...media is acquainted with one another. Reporters and journalists need to distance themselves from Phil and his absurd claims and comments, or be put on the hot seat themselves.

I also suggest you pile on the pressuring comments on that YouTube video. Also in any comment section to any articles referencing it. Post early and often. Go ahead and open up both barrels here!

As to his employer, Phil is likely working under a sub contract for NBC/Universal here in the USA. They have a Contact Us page here. I don't know how far that will get you though.

Finally, I would suggest that when you write to any of these people you don't just lash out rudely, but try to be civilized and starkly remind them that his comments were inexcusably way out of line, and questionably legal, especially for an established journalist who is supposed to be objective. I would also suggest, especially writing to NBC/Universal, that P&P be dismissed and NBC hire back Steve Schlanger and Todd Gogulski full time, as they covered cycling for a while before NBC bought cycling from Versus. Schlanger was a bit excitable, but Gogulski is very knowledgeable, a great announcer, a former pro cyclist, and was always objective.

 

[thehog]

In case it was missed VeloNews show the video but should add in some commentary: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...nesses-bought-usada-lacks-jurisdiction_236877

 

[zigmeister]

When has evidence ever stopped you from proclaiming Wonderboy's falsely accused of widespread fraud and various conspiracies?

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say statements like Phil's do more harm than good. Even the zigmeister intuitively understand the rhetoric is getting too big an ask for suspending disbelief. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

This story had to come out of Pat's office because it's crafted as well as some of the stuff released with Pat's signature on it. He's got JV nipping at his heels with well-played anti-doping rhetoric, Hein's still covering for Wonderboy to the point of risking IOC recognition. It doesn't matter that it's ridiculous.

The lies just keep getting bigger and it's going to backfire. It's taken way too long to get to this point, but now it's really starting to test the faithful.

Provide directs quotes of me claiming Wonderboy of being falsely accused.

You can accuse somebody of anything you wish. But, you have to actually produce facts and evidence worthwhile that regular people would be convinced is truthful and not biased and self-serving in some manner.

I have stated multiple times, Lance likely doped. Apparently you can't read and comprehend what I've written across multiple threads on this. Right in the previous sentence, I stated it again. Maybe you should peruse backward and read it again so it sinks in.

There is a thread called USADA and the Evidence also, I've already posted over there I'm waiting for all of the "facts" and "evidence" they have to prove his guilt beyond the normal crew and crowd we already know about. They make it seem as if they have the smoking gun.

Phil is another story entirely. Who knows what he says regarding investigators offering payoffs is true. But just like USADA, we have no way of knowing and backing up the information because neither will release their sources and evidence now will they?!?!

 

[mewmewmew13]

I got angry watching him sprew that bunch of lies! "So-called witnesses" he says...and he could just 'go round up 10 people to say he's guilty'...the "Fed investigation was dropped for LACK OF EVIDENCE"....


He's not 'harmless' anymore...he's like an evangelist gone bad


Sorry, zig, but they WILL release their evidence.

 

[richardp]

Phil is currently commentating for Channel 4 in the UK on the Paralympics, and they should certainly be informed.

Assuming he is not on some form of long term contract, if he no longer commentated on future Tours it might mean I would watch their coverage again. However good Gary Imlach and Chris Boardman are, Phil is unpalatable.

 

[noddy69]

I got angry watching him sprew that bunch of lies! "So-called witnesses" he says...and he could just 'go round up 10 people to say he's guilty'...the "Fed investigation was dropped for LACK OF EVIDENCE"....


He's not 'harmless' anymore...he's like an evangelist gone bad

Unfortunately with armstrong thats what we get. Faith defies logic even in the face of over whelming evidence to the contrary. Just look at creationism and that load of rubbish that has an ardent following in the states.

I hope Phil keeps spouting off this nonsense with no substance, its a pretty serious allegation and one that hopefully will not be taken lightly by the FEDS.

Seems the propoganda machine is out to discredit the witnesses and spin the usual from his camp. Unfortunately I would imagine any witnesses have been passed onto usada by the feds and its gonna be difficult when the names and testimony comes out.

 

[The Hitch]

Phil is currently commentating for Channel 4 in the UK on the Paralympics, and they should certainly be informed.

Assuming he is not on some form of long term contract, if he no longer commentated on future Tours it might mean I would watch their coverage again. However good Gary Imlach and Chris Boardman are, Phil is unpalatable.

Good point. How can we contact channel 4 to ask for him off.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Good point. How can we contact channel 4 to ask for him off.

Google for their website...contact info should be there...

 

[Deagol]

Phil has gone FULL ***

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Using my faulty memory is the right answer. The right answer is 2000/Sydney/Bronze.

It turns out their posted results are kind of messy.

The road racing World Championships results have been changed, voiding his title on this page: http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=954

The Olympic results are buried here, but still have him as third: http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=952

Who knows if the IOC will let his old doping results stand. My guess is as anti-doping controversy as they are, they will have to vacate those results too.

Phil could put a call into the IOC and tell them all about the Boulder Conspiracy in order to protect the Bronze. Let's see how that goes over.

Strange that usacycling world championships results does not even have big Mig in second or Olaf in third. No idea what the hell that site has up for results.

 

[summerhill]

http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/contact-us