gooner said:So Phil says he is not a friend of Lance.
Suddenly he wants Verbruggen out of the UCI.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...d-no-reason-not-to-believe-lance-8219480.html
This confirms my suspicion that Liggett is BPC.
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gooner said:So Phil says he is not a friend of Lance.
Suddenly he wants Verbruggen out of the UCI.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...d-no-reason-not-to-believe-lance-8219480.html
a method of controlling pests
and yet in the same conversation:"I was inclined (to think) surely he doesn’t dope, but now I look a fool, to be quite frank," Liggett told The Daily Telegraph from London.
"Quite clearly he has had a program going, with all the other guys.
I am like everybody else. I had no idea such an in-depth drug scheme was taking place.
I spent many hours with Armstrong over the years, but only at functions, doing things for him like MC-ing his cancer events.
I wouldn’t call Lance a friend because you can’t get that close to him. But I really thought he was clean, and in 2003, he actually told me to my face, in his own room. So obviously I am devastated."
Unbelievable lack of logic."I feel beyond a shadow of a doubt Cadel Evans won a clean Tour de France.
That was a good race and a real race."
Give me a break. It's called resigning.Liggett told a cycling website this week were it not for the fact he’d signed contracts to commentate through to 2016, the scandal was so depressing he would have walked away from cycling.
For heaven sake, you were there ; at the races, at the news conferences and you knew nothing? It's solid evidence is reported in l'Equipe, Kimmage and Walsh asked the questions, you heard other experienced Tour commentators laugh disbelievingly at his sudden climbing improvement in the 1999 tour, you saw what he and the UCI did to Bordy and the AFLD when their testing was getting too close for his comfort. I could fill a page of what I knew (from 1999 on) and I'm only a fan living 16,000 kilometers away from France. How much are you being paid for your "expert" commentary? I could excuse your ignorance if I hadn't had to listen to your sycophantic promotion, masquerading as unbiased commentary, of a cyclist and a team that Blind Freddy could see was on the juice.
samerics said:No, I feel sad about it too. I don't think he's a bad or malicious person, his voice still brings back memories of Indurain and Ullrich in the Tour, I just think he was taken in by Lance, and he just seems like a beaten man now, sad. I understand why, but there is so much malice in the clinic that is way OTT. Apart from Lance and the clowns at the UCI, I can't see why anyone else should be subject to the levels of vitriol thrown around in here. I mean, JV and Millar arehardly deserving of the spite thrown at them. Opinions yes, bile no. IMHO!
AussieEdge said:Lance Armstrong is the biggest con artist PERIOD, he is calculated, manipulative, sweet talking con artist
you cant pick and choose who he conned to suit your arguments
veganrob said:Anyone conned by Armstrong has been begging to be conned. So gullible, waiting, begging, for their savior to come along. Like religion, opiate for the masses. C'mon, the guy does not have a sincere bone in his body.
samerics said:... I mean, JV and Millar arehardly deserving of the spite thrown at them. Opinions yes, bile no. IMHO!
samerics said:Ah, the benefit of hindsight..... Come on, the past decade has pulled lots of secrets, but let's not pretend that we had a deep understanding of the depth of it back in 1999 as we have now, that's bs... I think most of us wanted to believe that a guy who nearly died from cancer came back thinner and utterly focused on winning the Tour. It ended up badly, and we all know him for the horrible wretch that he is, but we knew nothing at the time, stop peering down your nose as though you knew all along.
DirtyWorks said:There are a number of people who will not believe how thoroughly rotten Pro Cycling is until the doping stories are finally told by anti-doping authorities. You seem like one of them. Why do you have to wait for so long while the sport's actors are mocking you?
Why do we have to wait for the allegations that have been around for so long that I'm an old man now? Simple inference was overwhelming just a few years after the Internet's social impact was felt.
To be fair to JV, his story is much more nuanced unlike the UCI/Armstrong fraud. His team has clearly benefitted from the UCI telling riders to gear down.
veganrob said:Nobody, knew the depth of what LA would turn into. You are certainly right about that. But you also made my argument, "people wanted to believe".
veganrob said:Anyone conned by Armstrong has been begging to be conned. So gullible, waiting, begging, for their savior to come along. Like religion, opiate for the masses. C'mon, the guy does not have a sincere bone in his body.
samerics said:Of course they did, but if you have no reason not to at the time then you have no point! That's where the hindsight comes in