Philippe Gilbert, Cyclist of the year

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movingtarget

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royalpig180 said:
And now, he goes and wins the Belgian TT championship. There were no truly spectacular tt'ers in the field, but still. Where will he stop winning? He seems to win something in just about every race he enters. He's just incredible.
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Not a year he will forget. The best one day rider in the world at the moment and showing some improvement in the multi day races as well.
 
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El Pistolero said:
I think the best one week race he could win in his career is Tirreno-Adriatico.
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Depends. There have been some occasions where Paris-Nice has had parcours more suited to hilly riders as well.

What 1-week races are ahead of T-A?

Paris-Nice, Dauphine-Libere... and what?

Tour de Suisse? Not sure it ranks higher, but maybe. Pais-Vasco? I think he could win certain versions of that. Catalunya? I wouldn't rank that ahead of T-A. Romandie? Not ahead of T-A in my eyes either.
 
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kurtinsc said:
Depends. There have been some occasions where Paris-Nice has had parcours more suited to hilly riders as well.

What 1-week races are ahead of T-A?

Paris-Nice, Dauphine-Libere... and what?

Tour de Suisse? Not sure it ranks higher, but maybe. Pais-Vasco? I think he could win certain versions of that. Catalunya? I wouldn't rank that ahead of T-A. Romandie? Not ahead of T-A in my eyes either.
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Tour de Suisse has too many time trials, if it's not mountainous someone like Cancellara or Tony Martin will win.

Pais Vasco is possible, but I don't rate that higher as Tirreno-Adriatico. Romandie perhaps as well depending the course.

I finally know a decent nickname for Phil: Roi des Belges. Sporza commentators use it from time to time :p
 
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Tour de Suisse has too many time trials, if it's not mountainous someone like Cancellara or Tony Martin will win.

Pais Vasco is possible, but I don't rate that higher as Tirreno-Adriatico. Romandie perhaps as well depending the course.

I finally know a decent nickname for Phil: Roi des Belges. Sporza commentators use it from time to time :p
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I think you missed what I was trying to get at.

Isn't saying "the best 1-week race he can win is T-A", kind of like saying "the best GT rider X can win is the Vuelta"?

Yeah, there might be a couple of GT's better then the vuelta... but there are only a couple. That's setting the bar quite high. Yeah, there are a couple of 1-week races above T-A... but only a couple. That's setting the bar equally high.

I consider T-A one of the top-line 1-week races. On par with Paris-Nice and the Dauphine-Libere. What 1-week events would you categorize as HIGHER (not equal to) Tirenno-Adriatico?
 
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El Pistolero

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kurtinsc said:
I think you missed what I was trying to get at.

Isn't saying "the best 1-week race he can win is T-A", kind of like saying "the best GT rider X can win is the Vuelta"?

Yeah, there might be a couple of GT's better then the vuelta... but there are only a couple. That's setting the bar quite high. Yeah, there are a couple of 1-week races above T-A... but only a couple. That's setting the bar equally high.

I consider T-A one of the top-line 1-week races. On par with Paris-Nice and the Dauphine-Libere. What 1-week events would you categorize as HIGHER (not equal to) Tirenno-Adriatico?
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Only Dauphiné and Paris-Nice rank higher. But T-A usually is a race for the hilly classics specialists hence it's a perfect race for him. P-N and Dauphiné or more for the climbers. Although this year's route at P-N was lame, the time trial would have still prevented Phil from winning(and he has never been good at Paris-Nice).
 
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Tirreno-Adriatico was the biggest stage race win that Paolo Bettini ever managed. I'd consider Bettini better at getting over the big climbs than Gilbert, so I'd say that unless Gilbert fundamentally changes as a rider, he should be looking at similar.
 
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I think he's getting a bit greedy if you asked me- his season has been impressive so far & yet he thinks there are more races out there to add to his record? a bit voracious....
nevertheless I like him a lot
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He's going merckx this season :p No gifts, just wanting to win more and more :p
 
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Its not being greedy - he wants to be World No 1 ..... and is doing the classics rather than Vuelta as he can get more points.

Realistically, in order for a classics guy to be No 1 - he pretty much has to win everything.

Is Cav being greedy doing the Vuelta as well? that will be his 3rd GT .... Was Contador being greedy trying for Giro/Tour double?

You win what you can.
 
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I think he's getting a bit greedy if you asked me- his season has been impressive so far & yet he thinks there are more races out there to add to his record? a bit voracious....
nevertheless I like him a lot
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It's bike racing. Your meant to win, that's kinda the point. It's not selfish at all. He's having the season of his life, who wouldn't take advantage of that?
 
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movingtarget

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El Pistolero said:
Only Dauphiné and Paris-Nice rank higher. But T-A usually is a race for the hilly classics specialists hence it's a perfect race for him. P-N and Dauphiné or more for the climbers. Although this year's route at P-N was lame, the time trial would have still prevented Phil from winning(and he has never been good at Paris-Nice).
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If he can't win the ENECO he will find it hard to win TA or Paris Nice.
 
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movingtarget said:
If he can't win the ENECO he will find it hard to win TA or Paris Nice.
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He got second after a long season and didn't even try anymore in the last stage because he wanted to safe energy for the time trial championships. He was feeling very good the last day, but decided to not do anything. He also didn't check out the time trial course on his bike, so he lost some unnecessary seconds there as well.

EnecoTour also has easier stages which is not to the benefit of Gilbert.

Besides, no one was talking about Paris-Nice.
 
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El Pistolero said:
He got second after a long season and didn't even try anymore in the last stage because he wanted to safe energy for the time trial championships. He was feeling very good the last day, but decided to not do anything. He also didn't check out the time trial course on his bike, so he lost some unnecessary seconds there as well.

EnecoTour also has easier stages which is not to the benefit of Gilbert.

Besides, no one was talking about Paris-Nice.
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Gilberts predeccesor won the 2008 Paris Nice and Rinaldo came 2nd. And that was a PN that went over Mont Ventoux. I think Gilbert could win it but not worth trying because he has a better chance at TA.
 
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The Hitch said:
Gilberts predeccesor won the 2008 Paris Nice and Rinaldo came 2nd. And that was a PN that went over Mont Ventoux. I think Gilbert could win it but not worth trying because he has a better chance at TA.
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I think Rebellin is/was better on the long climbs. Don't know about Nocentini though.
 
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Gilbert should just continue focussing on the classics/monuments and get as many of them as he can, he's best suited for them.
 
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Yes For Philippe, but Contador and Evans have done well.

Can't wait to see Gilbert battle it out with Cunego + Rod at the Giro di Lombardia!
 
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