Philippe Gilbert, Cyclist of the year

[El Pistolero]

What does the Vuelta have to do with this? We're comparing to the Giro.

Vuelta, Giro, difference ain't as big as Tour-Giro

I'm just saying some people find a one day classic more important than a 3 week Tour. Even if they can win said Tour.

 

[The Hitch]

I remember Joaquim saying he valued LBL higher than the Vuelta(calling it even higher than the WC, he's really in love with that event. He's overdoing it if you ask me ). And he thinks he can win both I suppose.

I know you do. You remember it so well, you keep mentioning it in various threads. 3 times in the last week now.

So J rod says LBL is bigger than the Vuelta. Apparently Sastre once said Cali is as big as the Giro and Ricco said he expects to be racing this year. Cyclists say stupid things, what else is new.

"And unless Gilbert wins the Tour, I don't see that changing."

Besides, we already know the winner of next year

Not as certain as it seemed a few months ago. This Italian policy that riders caught doping in the past cant perform at the Worlds could spread meaning that Valverde wont actually be there.

 

[The Hitch]

Cineteq's original statement which started this off was that Gilbert should be above Contador on the list of riders of the year, because his wins have come in bigger and better races.

I don't dispute that Gilbert should be above Contador on the list of riders of the year. I do dispute that his wins have come in bigger races than Contador's, because the Giro is, Tour aside, the biggest race there is.

Yes but you’ve gone beyond the call of duty in defending Contador.

Bringing up his 2010 season for example.

I mean lets be honest, if you didnt like Contador you wouldnt be sitting here now arguing with El Pistolero, a proccess which by now we all know leads nowhere.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

But his wins combined are bigger than Conti's wins combined. I guess he meant that.

I rate a classic over a one week race any day, don't know your opinion about that though.

So in your opinion, Cadel winning La Flèche Wallonne was better than his winning the Tour?

I'm just saying some people find a one day classic more important than a 3 week Tour. Even if they can win said Tour.

But what you're saying is, "you disputed the statement that Gilbert's wins had come in bigger races than Contador's because the Giro is big. I said all of his wins put together were bigger than the Giro. You said yes, but that wasn't what was asked. I shifted the goalposts, and then had to stretch the subject in different directions to keep up my side of things because OMG GILBERT. I brought up the Worlds because I forgot Gilbert hasn't won them yet. So I moved the goalposts again. Now you've pointed that out, I'll move them again".

The Giro is a bigger race than anything Gilbert has won. If he wins the Worlds, maybe we can talk. J-Rod might think that LBL is better than the Vuelta; but not only is J-Rod's opinion just that, and not necessarily a concensus view, but also the Vuelta is not the comparative yardstick we were using until you moved the goalposts to suit.

I don't see why we even have to disagree at all. Gilbert is the rider of the year (male anyway) no doubt. But no single race that he's won is more important than the Giro. What makes his year so special is the combination and accumulation of wins.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yes but you’ve gone beyond the call of duty in defending Contador.

Bringing up his 2010 season for example.

I mean lets be honest, if you didnt like Contador you wouldnt be sitting here now arguing with El Pistolero, a proccess which by now we all know leads nowhere.

I don't actually like Contador all that much. I'm pretty indifferent to him. I was supportive of him in the face of the Armstrong drivel in 2009, and I was supportive of him with the criticism of Chaingate, but I found his domination of the Giro rather dull and would rather the whole CAS thing had been sorted before we got to this point.

I'm actually just really terrible at rising to bait, and failing to recognise when to back down or just leave it alone.

 

[El Pistolero]

So in your opinion, Cadel winning La Flèche Wallonne was better than his winning the Tour?



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Read again. I rate FW higher than Romandie yes.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Read again. I rate FW higher than Romandie yes.

I did read again.

I agree FW is higher than Romandie.

I still stand by my statement. If you rate a classic over a one week race, then you must rate FW over his Tour win.

 

[El Pistolero]

I did read again.

I agree FW is higher than Romandie.

I still stand by my statement. If you rate a classic over a one week race, then you must rate FW over his Tour win.

Great troll move, missed it the first time

 

[marco_corsi]

Oh BTW!!!! Gilbert just won the Belgium National TT!!!! We'll see in a month after Montreal and Quebec, and TdL but He's the best this year. There is no discussion there.

 

[max_powers]

Gilbert is certainly the best all arounder since Lemond,

in the category of pros with acne scarred faces

 

[The Hitch]

Gilbert is certainly the best all arounder since Lemond,

in the category of pros with acne scarred faces

Best all rounder?

I dont see it. 90% of Gilberts awesomness comes from hills.


Is Cav then amongst the best all rounders because hes so great at sprinting?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

I did read again.

I agree FW is higher than Romandie.

I still stand by my statement. If you rate a classic over a one week race, then you must rate FW over his Tour win.

Nice one Libertine

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Best all rounder?

I dont see it. 90% of Gilberts awesomness comes from hills.


Is Cav then amongst the best all rounders because hes so great at sprinting?

Belgian nats were pretty flat. Omloop Het Volk is pretty flat, Parijs-Tours is flat.
He's won his fair share of flat races as well

 

[The Hitch]

Belgian nats were pretty flat. Omloop Het Volk is pretty flat, Parijs-Tours is flat.
He's won his fair share of flat races as well

Yes he has. Still doesnt make him the best all rounder since Lemond. Not even close.

Im not going to argue with you though Mikey cos you know it all anyway. Ill wait for you know who to post some halfsense, then probably join Libertine Seguros in explaining why Alejandro Valverde is an all rounder and Phillipe Gilbert isnt.

That is the exactly same thing that happened when he tried to say Contador was the best all rounder in the world.

Though Contador is obviously more of an all rounder than Gilbert and one could write an anthology on riders since Lemond who have been better "all rounders" than anyone mentioned in this thread.

 

[jens_attacks]

gilbert no doubt about that

 

[El Pistolero]

Yes he has. Still doesnt make him the best all rounder since Lemond. Not even close.

Im not going to argue with you though Mikey cos you know it all anyway. Ill wait for you know who to post some halfsense, then probably join Libertine Seguros in explaining why Alejandro Valverde is an all rounder and Phillipe Gilbert isnt.

That is the exactly same thing that happened when he tried to say Contador was the best all rounder in the world.

Though Contador is obviously more of an all rounder than Gilbert and one could write an anthology on riders since Lemond who have been better "all rounders" than anyone mentioned in this thread.

You should try and read past the first line of his post.

 

[uphillstruggle]

I still stand by my statement. If you rate a classic over a one week race, then you must rate FW over his Tour win.

Aside from your 'tour was one week long' joke I think many people see a monument or WC as equal to the Giro. It comes down to personal preference really, apart from the tour, which is obviously the biggest race on the calendar.

Gilbert and Contador are not all rounders really.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Yes he has. Still doesnt make him the best all rounder since Lemond. Not even close.

Im not going to argue with you though Mikey cos you know it all anyway. Ill wait for you know who to post some halfsense, then probably join Libertine Seguros in explaining why Alejandro Valverde is an all rounder and Phillipe Gilbert isnt.

That is the exactly same thing that happened when he tried to say Contador was the best all rounder in the world.

Though Contador is obviously more of an all rounder than Gilbert and one could write an anthology on riders since Lemond who have been better "all rounders" than anyone mentioned in this thread.

No I don't I'm not a fanboy Hitch

Valverde is a better allrounder than Phille. Better at climbing, better at sprinting, more or less the same in an uphill sprint.

Contador is more of an allrounder than Phille, better at climbing, TT'ing, Phille's equal on a hill like Huy.

Hell Evans is more of an allrounder than Gilbert...

Philbert does have a record on the cobbles, the riders mentioned above haven't. Although I think Evans could've been great on those with his MTB skills.

 

[The Hitch]

No I don't I'm not a fanboy Hitch

Im saying you know your stuff about cycling, not that your a fanboy.

Learn to take a compliment Mike

 

[The Hitch]

You should try and read past the first line of his post.

Who says i didnt?

 

[El Pistolero]

No I don't I'm not a fanboy Hitch

Valverde is a better allrounder than Phille. Better at climbing, better at sprinting, more or less the same in an uphill sprint.

Contador is more of an allrounder than Phille, better at climbing, TT'ing, Phille's equal on a hill like Huy.

Hell Evans is more of an allrounder than Gilbert...

Philbert does have a record on the cobbles, the riders mentioned above haven't. Although I think Evans could've been great on those with his MTB skills.

As Phil said it, he's the best all-rounder in one day races. Some people keep dragging in stage races though. We know Phil ain't a prodigy in stage races, no need to keep mentioning it.

 

[El Pistolero]

Who says i didnt?

Nobody was calling Phil an all-rounder(as in good in all aspects of cycling) and no one was calling Phil a better all-rounder than Greg LeMond(different era anyway).

The guy made a joke and unless Valverde has an acne scarred skin I don't know why you brought him up.

 

[The Hitch]

Nobody was calling Phil an all-rounder(as in good in all aspects of cycling) and no one was calling Phil a better all-rounder than Greg LeMond(different era anyway).

The guy made a joke and unless Valverde has an acne scarred skin I don't know why you brought him up.

Ah ok my bad, I thought the bit about acne scarred skin was separate to the bit about Gilbert being the best all rounder.

Apologies.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Im saying you know your stuff about cycling, not that your a fanboy.

Learn to take a compliment Mike

I mistook it for sarcasm, my bad Damn internet with it's lack of intonation

Nobody was calling Phil an all-rounder(as in good in all aspects of cycling) and no one was calling Phil a better all-rounder than Greg LeMond(different era anyway).

The guy made a joke and unless Valverde has an acne scarred skin I don't know why you brought him up.

Valverde does have that weird chin thingy

 

[royalpig180]

And now, he goes and wins the Belgian TT championship. There were no truly spectacular tt'ers in the field, but still. Where will he stop winning? He seems to win something in just about every race he enters. He's just incredible.