Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[Benotti69]

Look at it from the IOC's perspective. They want world records broken every four years during their broadcast. Just don't create any doping controversy doing it.

Even when there is controversy, in most countries, like Spain, anti-doping has no legal authority. It's working out great for Fuentes. It is working out well in the U.S. too as there is no criminal prosecution for Armstrong/Tailwind misdeeds and the IOC/UCI is barely mentioned as part of the problem. That's not an accident. That's a coordinated effort by the IOC.

My vote is for Belarus as the last clean nation.

IOC are at the bottom of most of it.

My vote for last clean nations are greenland, the artic and antartica.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Canada.

Ryder won the Giro.

Dave.

Two words: Ben Johnson

 

[BroDeal]

IOC are at the bottom of most of it.

My vote for last clean nations are greenland, the artic and antartica.

I don't know about that. I have always had doubts about those shifty eyed penguins. They are swimers afterall. Has anyone checked to see if they are being coched by Kerrigan?

 

[Benotti69]

I don't know about that. I have always had doubts about those shifty eyed penguins. They are swimers afterall. Has anyone checked to see if they are being coched by Kerrigan?

Sheeeeet your right everyone is at it!, Damn.

 

[wansteadimp]

I don't know about that. I have always had doubts about those shifty eyed penguins. They are swimers afterall. Has anyone checked to see if they are being coched by Kerrigan?

Nah, penguins are better on ice, and Nancy K was good on the ice before Tonya had her wacked.

 

[Franklin]

People are suggesting the legal issues with the bloodbags are because of the IOC...? I think this is just too much tin-foil to carry as headwear

1. The privacy issues of medical data is very much at the forefront in Europe.
2. Extradiction/routing criminal investigation to foreign countries/organisations is generally troublesome due to sovereignity issues. There's not a country that would do it when it's a criminal affair on it's own grounds and involving it's own civilians. Note that the athletes were not on trial!

These issues are very real and doping is just a tiny aspect that touches these matters. If you want conspiracy on this subject you can rather look at big corporations being protected from foreign prosecution.

Again, the mild sentence and especially the 4 year profesional ban are very debatable. But the lack of follow up on the blood was to be expected. As I said before, I think we should be happy there are limits on these things. There's more in the world than doping.

 

[DirtyWorks]

People are suggesting the legal issues with the bloodbags are because of the IOC...? I think this is just too much tin-foil to carry as headwear

You are missing the point. Spain's anti-doping agency appears to be an NGO. (non-governmental organization) My crackpot theory is Spain's judicial system uses the excuse they cannot release the blood bags because Spain's anti-doping agency is neither a judicial agency, nor law enforcement. It's a legitimate excuse, that handily frees all those Fuentes clients. Win-Win!

Whatever you do, don't check to see what organization was responsible for creating WADA and how anti-doping works.

There's more in the world than doping.

Corruption? Nike contracts? Moving out of your parent's basement would be advised.

 

[Franklin]

You are missing the point. Spain's anti-doping agency appears to be an NGO. (non-governmental organization) My crackpot theory is Spain's judicial system uses the excuse they cannot release the blood bags because Spain's anti-doping agency is neither a judicial agency, nor law enforcement. It's a legitimate excuse, that handily frees all those Fuentes clients. Win-Win!

ianal, but

1. The riders were not on trial. Bolded for emphasis.
2. The information to be retrieved from the bloodbags would be breaking privacy rules.
3. The transgression done by the riders is quite unclear legally. It depends country to country. In fact between when Puerto was going on and now a lot of countries (including Spain) changed their legislation.

I don't think the status of the AEA matters in this case.

Whatever you do, don't check to see what organization was responsible for creating WADA and how anti-doping works.

This is a criminal case. Wada has no jurisdiction (ianal, but that seems quite right to me considering the healthcare and fiscal issues). It's not as if we are talking about a positive test.

Amrstrongs shehanigans, that's clearly Sport Union corruption, but this Criminal case is not so easily influenced. The judge operated within common law, not sports law.

Corruption? Nike contracts? Moving out of your parent's basement would be advised.

I'm not quite sure what you try to say here. Are you suggesting Doping is the most important thing in the world? Are you suggesting I'm so blinkered that I fail to see that?

 

[Race Radio]

Perhaps the most impressive part of the trial was the fat man's ability to lie.

Saiz had said during questioning by the Guardia Civil in 2006 that the 60,000 euros had been intended for Fuentes, but he hadn't handed them over because of the problems surrounding Nozal's high haematocrit. Funny how he forgot this

 

[Franklin]

Perhaps the most impressive part of the trial was the fat man's ability to lie.

Saiz had said during questioning by the Guardia Civil in 2006 that the 60,000 euros had been intended for Fuentes, but he hadn't handed them over because of the problems surrounding Nozal's high haematocrit. Funny how he forgot this

It's indeed incredible that there was nothing to stick onto Saiz. In my opinion that's a much more questionable issue than the blood.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

When you find a clean country, please list them here...

There are no clean animals, but that doesn't mean they're all pigs.

 

[Descender]

Ah Spain, paradise on earth.

5-year ban on international sports or nothing will change.

That's how ****ed up that country is.

 

[MarkvW]

It's indeed incredible that there was nothing to stick onto Saiz. In my opinion that's a much more questionable issue than the blood.

My guess is that it was tough to tag a public health crime on Saiz, and he wasn't charged with a sporting crime.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Fuentes blablabla.

The real question should be where the peloton went after Fuentes got popped.

Rabo went to Vienna, the rest must have stopped doping.

 

[martinvickers]

There are no clean animals, but that doesn't mean they're all pigs.

Well, the obvious example that springs to mind is Japan, which has had only handful of doping cases in its history, mostly in mixed marshal arts and sumo. Otherwise, the japanese seem not to trouble the doping authorities much...

 

[martinvickers]

Ah Spain, paradise on earth.

5-year ban on international sports or nothing will change.

That's how ****ed up that country is.

Just block Madrid 2020, and make it public why. Most spanish people, like most people anywhere, are going to want answers after that.

 

[pastronef]

the real question is:
after nothing happened, can Lulu race again? (Luis Leon Sanchez, still waiting for the green from his Blanco team)

and after Euskaltel mad transfers, we could even see Mancebo race for them

 

[Race Radio]

Fuentes blablabla.

The real question should be where the peloton went after Fuentes got popped.

They went back to Fuentes. He was arrested again in Operation Greyhound

 

[blackcat]

Perhaps the most impressive part of the trial was the fat man's ability to lie.

Saiz had said during questioning by the Guardia Civil in 2006 that the 60,000 euros had been intended for Fuentes, but he hadn't handed them over because of the problems surrounding Nozal's high haematocrit. Funny how he forgot this

there were australian currency notes as part of that 60k. The IGF was from Gropep in Adelaide, but perhaps not thru an official channel ie farm gate.

wonder who got him the igf at Tour Down Under to take back to Madrid>

anyone got an idea? Adelaide, January, anyone?

Bueller?

edit: now you know why in january liberty seguros came out to kill it.

 

[ElChingon]

They went back to Fuentes. He was arrested again in Operation Greyhound

Yup, just like Ferrari, they're still alive and on the streets so why should they stop, they've done the worse to date and all they got was a slap on the wrist. Fuentes is probably in the market for a new Porsche so he'll be back at it in no time.

 

[hfer07]

the real question is:
after nothing happened, can Lulu race again? (Luis Leon Sanchez, still waiting for the green from his Blanco team)

and after Euskaltel mad transfers, we could even see Mancebo race for them

you shouldn't stop there!! how about Santiago Botero & Oscar Sevilla returning to Europa???

 

[Alphabet]

This is disgusting, sickening news. I can't believe that this judge is being permitted to get away with effectively perverting the course of justice.

Somebody said up-thread that an international ban on Spanish athletes would be the only course of action to salvage anything from OP (non-cycling related) and I agree with that, but there isn't a chance of it.

 

[MarkvW]

This is disgusting, sickening news. I can't believe that this judge is being permitted to get away with effectively perverting the course of justice.

Somebody said up-thread that an international ban on Spanish athletes would be the only course of action to salvage anything from OP (non-cycling related) and I agree with that, but there isn't a chance of it.

Pro cycling is a filthy pigsty and the people of Spain don't want to spend their money to clean it up. Honestly, who can blame them?

 

[GreasyMonkey]

This is disgusting, sickening news. I can't believe that this judge is being permitted to get away with effectively perverting the course of justice.

Somebody said up-thread that an international ban on Spanish athletes would be the only course of action to salvage anything from OP (non-cycling related) and I agree with that, but there isn't a chance of it.

Perverting the course of justice?

Sorry, the judge applied the laws of Spain, as written and interpreted as of 2006, to the fullest extent that she was able to.

The laws at the time did not deem doping in sport to be a criminal offence, so the best that could be done was to charge Fuentes et. al. under the Public Health laws, and the penalties accorded to the offences as of the date of the charges.

Same thing with the release of the blood bags - the laws relating to privacy and protection of data have to be repected, however much "we" do not like the outcome.

The Law does not equal Justice....... wherever you happen to live.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well, the obvious example that springs to mind is Japan, which has had only handful of doping cases in its history, mostly in mixed marshal arts and sumo. Otherwise, the japanese seem not to trouble the doping authorities much...

TBF, outside of those, how much do they really win?