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And Pog is leading that, as I been pointing out, so he is on pace. Done it for +5 years and Vinge only +3.
And I pointed out that what you claim to be true as based on sheer number of wins and top placings, isn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be in the case of these two under right now. In three years or so, things should be clearer.
Either way, it is the decider who may be the greatest GT-rider of their generation. Wins and other great results.
As far as I'm concerned, until Pogi takes back the Tour crown from Vingegaard it's not at all clear who is on track for best generational GT rider at the moment. And if Vingegaard hadn't fallen at Itzulia, I'd bet on him to win this next Tour, which would complicate matters further for Pogi in this necessary category for any rider to be hailed GOAT. The problem, however, has now shifted to Vingegaard due to his crash: can he continue ( from here on out to become the best generational GT rider)? As he certainly was as much on that trajectory as any claims to Pogi in this regard.
I am just saying who is in the lead of being the best generational GT rider of this generation! That is Pog, right now. So right now he is indeed qualifying for your criteria that you posed.
No, when he gets the Tour back from Vingo then he'll be in the lead, not before.
Even if he doesnt win the double this season, he is still ahead by his results for being able to claim the title for best generational GT talent/rider. Right now, that is.
He is ahead by his results. You cant deny that, even if you are giving it your best shot. Results says otherwise.
Then he would be ahead or at best tied. Since Pog has the same amount of GT-wins and more podiums, if that happens.
While, yes, numerically Pog is in the lead, and even he and Vingo are tied with 2 Tour wins and 1 second place each. However, this doesn't tell the whole story. In the times they have faced eachother at the Tour, Vingo is 2 wins 1 second place to Pog's 1 win and 2 second places. I think in terms of the specific weight of the GC wins and against whom, as well as because Vingegaard dominated Pog the last two Tours, claiming that Pog is a ahead as the best GT rider of this generation is very much still up for debate.
So if Pogi wins TdF this year, it may not count fully because of the help of Adam Yates being on the same team?
No, the debate has evolved into concern over anyone who is hailed the GOAT needs to be sine non qua the best GT rider of his generation. So naturally the focus has turned to the Pogi-Vingo rivalry in this regard. It's all interconnected.
Either way he is in the lead of being able to claim being the best generational GT-rider of his generation, right now. So right now, he is fulfilling your criteria that he would be able to do for having GOAT status.
Yeah, you are missing the point.
Well if you believe Vingo didn't fully deserve his victories at the last two Tours as you seem to imply, reaching performance levels that Pog simply could not handle, then I have to say I totally disagree with you. And because of this I don't see Pog as ahead of Vinge as the generational GT rider at the moment. That may very well change in the future, but as of right now I've got Jonas slightly ahead.
Someone posed an argument that he would have to be the best generational GT-rider of his generation. Well he currently is, right now.
I didnt say that.
However it doesn't make much sense to look at their number of podiums, unless they're tied on number of Tour wins/total GT wins, which obviously isn't the case at the moment.
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