Point-Counterpoint responses to Armstrong defenses

[andy1234]

LOL, there are more than 800 McDos in France.

Double LOL, how many of them feature in the Michelin guide?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

LOL, there are more than 800 McDos in France.

Ignore the troll, please. It's clear this andy1234 guy hasn't even read the letter or he wouldn't be making stupid comments like that.

 

[ChrisE]

Hold on a second. They certainly don't, or didn't, have a test for HGH or autologous blood doping. Micro-dosing was extremely hard to catch.

Plus, as the letter explains, Lance was using Ferrari who is an expert at getting around the tests. I don't think you can draw the conclusion that the testing overall is a farce. Rather, well-paid cheaters were well ahead of the testers.

Yes, let's hold on lol.

If you can find a post of mine that says there was no way to beat the tests, then please link it. Good luck, and take your time. And, no need to waste your keystrokes educating me on what was detectable once your search turns up nothing.

There is much evidence of people beating the tests, so much because they can be beat and there is corruption. Even the clinic felon in here is going around bragging about what everybody does, amazingly without Ferrari.

What a shock. Has USADA or any ADA trumpetted this obvious deception before, other than the obvious ones like HGH? Has Tygart claimed test effectiveness before, while knowing otherwise? This case comes out of the sky alleging 15 years of deception and worthless testing methods. How about some front page news and some 'duh' moments while USADA keeps getting testing funding and they can put on a good spin while testing others right at this very moment.

Also, save the magical powers of Ferrari. LA was doing what all the other top pros were. Ferrari's magic consisted of "hey, don't take EPO cuz there is now a test" before he got popped at TdS. Some magic. Where's the magic dust?

TH and FL never said LA had advantage in eluding tests due to Ferrari or that he had an advantage because Ferrari was some type of magic man. Ferrari is being used as USADA cover for sports worthless testing methods and corruption. There has to be a CYA somewhere when USADA does this because testing methods are no good. There must be a magic reason, right?

FL was even doing his own doping in 2005 and all thru the spring of 2006, and didn't get caught. You guys read what you want to believe into TH and FL, and ignore the rest. And, just look at the sport(s) and carve out what you can use. Kinda like the bible. Yes, the only way to elude tests is with Ferrari lol.

You guys are funny, and when LA's group points out that TH doped forever and FL doped in 05/06 and others all throughout the recent sport, without Ferrari and without getting caught, then this little conspiracy accusation gets alot more interesting. Maybe they can pull some of the clinic fellon's post out of the clinic to use during the hearing lol.

FL has had every chance to slam LA as a donkey/racehorse but he went out of his way to praise his ability on the bike. So did TH. Did you guys forget to cc them on the hate talking points memo?

This Ferrari BS is leftover residue from the cult reason to explain why LA beat a bunch of other dopers; he was a "better responder" and had Merlin the doctor on his side. That was a bunch of BS then, and it is now. Ask TH and FL. That's ok...it makes for good reason to go praise 2nd place doper JU in his little pitty-party thread lol.

 

[ChrisE]

Ignore the troll, please. It's clear this andy1234 guy hasn't even read the letter or he wouldn't be making stupid comments like that.

The worst meal I ever had in France was at the Mcdonald's in the latin quarter one morning. This proof of French Mcdonalds proves andy is a troll.

 

[dbrower]

Pepe probably does not have means to fight the charges. The others may not even respond.

Bruyneel could be booted from RSNT in the next few days and decide to retire.

If they don't respond, they are risking life bans. Pepe, for one, probably doesn't have much to fall back on.

-dB

 

[andy1234]

Ignore the troll, please. It's clear this andy1234 guy hasn't even read the letter or he wouldn't be making stupid comments like that.

I have read the letter, but I must have missed the part that stated how many times USADA were responsible for European pro tour doping tests.
However, I will go out on a limb and guess at zero, making RRs statistics on testing frequency by USADA, irrelevant to the overall amount of times Armstrong has been tested.

Now, do me a favour and keep up.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

1. He's "never tested positive."

Neither has Marion Jones, and she admitted to doping for years. Neither did Barry Bonds. Neither did Valverde, Basso, Ullrich.

In fact, Lance did test positive for cortisone in '99, for which he obtained a post-dated TUE. Further, we have the issue of the 6 samples. The allegation is now that he again tested positive in 2001, but that was covered up.

What is meant by the molded part? What is the issue?, which samples? Thanks, - I'm out of the loop

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

What is meant by the molded part? What is the issue?, which samples? Thanks, - I'm out of the loop

This refers to the six urine samples that Equipe linked to Armstrong. These samples allegedly show evidence of EPO use.

Here is a more in-depth article.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2005...rmstrong-samples-show-epo-use-in-99-tour_8740

 

[Race Radio]

I have read the letter, but I must have missed the part that stated how many times USADA were responsible for European pro tour doping tests.
However, I will go out on a limb and guess at zero, making RRs statistics on testing frequency by USADA, irrelevant to the overall amount of times Armstrong has been tested.

Now, do me a favour and keep up.

So you have 29 by USADA, 96 for his days in Yellow. 2-3 OOC tests prior to 2005.

You are almost 400 short.....try to keep up.

 

[Race Radio]

What is meant by the molded part? What is the issue?, which samples? Thanks, - I'm out of the loop

This is the best review of the 6 positives for EPO from 1999

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

 

[andy1234]

So you have 29 by USADA, 96 for his days in Yellow. 2-3 OOC tests prior to 2005.

You are almost 400 short.....try to keep up.

Where are the official records of OOC testing of Armstrong in Europe between 1993 and 2012?

I'm not saying he has been tested 500 times in that period, but it seems you have proof he hasn't?

 

[Lajeretta4Ever]

Hi can somebody explain to me how Armstrong can face a perjury charge if he lies to USADA? I've seen this fact published but no explanation how that is possible. I mean the USADA is not a federal agency and is not a court of law, no?

 

[Lajeretta4Ever]

This is the best review of the 6 positives for EPO from 1999

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

FWIW,
Michael Ashenden is a dead ringer for the greatest NY Ranger of all time, Mark Messier.

 

[Race Radio]

Where are the official records of OOC testing of Armstrong in Europe between 1993 and 2012?

I'm not saying he has been tested 500 times in that period, but it seems you have proof he hasn't?

it is your boy making the 500 claim. Let me know when you have something to support it.....or do you not believe this lie?

 

[DirtyWorks]

I have read the letter, but I must have missed the part that stated how many times USADA were responsible for European pro tour doping tests.
However, I will go out on a limb and guess at zero, making RRs statistics on testing frequency by USADA, irrelevant to the overall amount of times Armstrong has been tested.

Again, more stubborn ignorance just to maintain the appearance of righteousness.

I can't put it any simpler than the race organizer is responsible for providing dope testing. The results eventually pass to the rider's Federation of record for handling.

That RR used some shorthand to describe the situation is okay. You are being a mighty big sphincter muscle about it.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

it is your boy making the 500 claim. Let me know when you have something to support it.....or do you not believe this lie?

Remember, you can't prove there isn't a village of Smurfs at the center of the Cygnus X1 black hole. So, there must be a village of Smurfs there.

That's the 500-test logic right there. Can't prove he didn't take 500 tests. But hey, why stop at 500. Can't prove he didn't undergo 1,000,000 tests either.

These guys are clowns.

 

[MacRoadie]

These guys are clowns.

Hey, watch it. That could be construed as very offensive to hard working circus people and carnies everywhere...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Hey, watch it. That could be construed as very offensive to hard working circus people and carnies everywhere...

LOL. I was thinking more of these clowns.

 

[andy1234]

it is your boy making the 500 claim. Let me know when you have something to support it.....or do you not believe this lie?

If anyone has these facts about Armstrong it's you.
He's your boy more than anyone's, that's why I asked.

You raised the claim that the 500 tests may not be true, now back it up

 

[Benotti69]

here's what CNN think of the tests;

"Why, he's passed 350 tests and, even if the testing system is a complete joke, well, hey, he passed. Ludicrous."

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/15/opinion/pearlman-lance-armstrong/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

 

[andy1234]

Again, more stubborn ignorance just to maintain the appearance of righteousness.

I can't put it any simpler than the race organizer is responsible for providing dope testing. The results eventually pass to the rider's Federation of record for handling.

That RR used some shorthand to describe the situation is okay. You are being a mighty big sphincter muscle about it.

I made it in to your super special ignore list.
God bless you

 

[Hugh Januss]

If anyone has these facts about Armstrong it's you.
He's your boy more than anyone's, that's why I asked.

You raised the claim that the 500 tests may not be true, now back it up

Lance Armstrong is not only not "the most tested athlete in the world"TM he is not even the most tested cyclist .........in America...........named Armstrong.

 

[ChrisE]

I made it in to your super special ignore list.
God bless you

The litmus test for DW's ignore list is whether or not he agrees with you on any subject in the world. I had him confused for awhile, until drug mule urged him to put me on ignore when I was pointing out some contradictory GL incovenience, and then he started looking at me more closely.

Chewbacca (TFF), one of the most rabid LA haters around, is also on his ignore list. TFF must have told him the sun rose in the east.

So, how many times has LA been tested? I really don't care but some of you might. With the magic conspiracy Ferrari coverup dust flying around and all it might be pretty hard to get a handle on this.

 

[Anonymous]

You are an idiot, prove it is not the case.

Lance Armstrong is not only not "the most tested athlete in the world"TM he is not even the most tested cyclist .........in America...........named Armstrong.

That's a top 10 post right there.

 

[andy1234]

You are an idiot, prove it is not the case.

Lance Armstrong is not only not "the most tested athlete in the world"TM he is not even the most tested cyclist .........in America...........named Armstrong.

OK I'm an idiot, that's out of the way, so maybe you can take pity on me by answering the following ......

Where is the evidence that backs up your claim.?
Show me the career global testing statistics for LA vs (I assume) KA?

Facts and links are king around here, and I'm sure you will have no problem providing them.

Please make sure your stats, should you find them, are relevant.
I don't want to go through the whole irrelevance of USADA statistics to a European based rider, again