Poll - Do you CARE if Lance doped?

[andy1234]

Aaah, but the question is more was it the drugs that made them good musicians and famous, for example, was it the heroine that made Charlie Parker or Lester Young play them sax so great. In the case of the cycling if you want to get to the top it appears as though you'll need to use doping

Tricky one to confirm, but I believe it made them better musicians.

 

[andy1234]

I believe the Osmonds doped.

Nope, most tested band on the planet. Your'e thinking of the bay city rollers.

 

[Barrus]

Tricky one to confirm, but I believe it made them better musicians.

I don't think so, I believe Lester Young especially was better in the early days when he did not overindulge as much as he did later.

But even that, there are more than enough musicians that could create the most beautiful msic without drugs, for example George Shearing

However in cycling it appears as though you are not able to compete without the drugs

 

[VeloFidelis]

And the fact that they were drugged up and thus influencing children to use drugs doesn't make you think they should be kicked out of the business of music?

Touche! Que va laisser une marque!

 

[andy1234]

I don't think so, I believe Lester Young especially was better in the early days when he did not overindulge as much as he did later.

But even that, there are more than enough musicians that could create the most beautiful msic without drugs, for example George Shearing

However in cycling it appears as though you are not able to compete without the drugs

Fair enough. I must admit that almost every musician or band I have been into has some history with drugs.
I suppose we will never know if bohemian rhapsody, sympathy for the devil or paradise city would have been as great without the influence of drugs on the artists involved.

 

[blutto]

I don't think so, I believe Lester Young especially was better in the early days when he did not overindulge as much as he did later.

But even that, there are more than enough musicians that could create the most beautiful msic without drugs, for example George Shearing

However in cycling it appears as though you are not able to compete without the drugs

...possibly a better example would be Sonny Rollins who had a before, during and after relationship with demon drugs...just an opinion, but at all those stages he was still Sonny, as in, pretty darn good...but then Sonny was a pretty special player...and in the clean living camp you can easily point to the sheer genius of Clifford Brown...

Cheers

blutto

 

[Barrus]

...possibly a better example would be Sonny Rollins who had a before, during and after relationship with demon drugs...just an opinion, but at all those stages he was still Sonny, as in, pretty darn good...but then Sonny was a pretty special player...

Cheers

blutto

Yeah, it was just the first artist I tought of that I knew had not really had a relation with hard drugs, at least not to my knowledge. I could also have used Pink Floyd, epsecially the wall, darkside of the moon and wish you were here

 

[Hugh Januss]

Nope, most tested band on the planet. Your'e thinking of the bay city rollers.

I hate you for even remembering that group.

 

[Benotti69]

i think Ozzie could have won 7 TdFs, didn't his gear all the way up to 11 back then, i mean Shimano and Campag only got there recently

 

[andy1234]

I hate you for even remembering that group.

Me too.
Little known fact - The garmin team kit was based on them....probably.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Me too.
Little known fact - The garmin team kit was based on them....probably.

From WIKI (so it's gotta be correct)

The Bay City Rollers were a Scottish pop band, most popular in the 1970s. The British Hit Singles & Albums noted that they were "tartan teen sensations from Edinburgh

I think you are confusing two distinct different ugly color patterns.

 

[veganrob]

And the fact that they were drugged up and thus influencing children to use drugs doesn't make you think they should be kicked out of the business of music?

Please. They are in no way similar. Get a clue.
Hell, I was all drugged up at the time but I will not say it was the right thing to do.

 

[veganrob]

I believe the Osmonds doped.

Marie was a little bit country. 1+1

 

[andy1234]

Please. They are in no way similar. Get a clue.
Hell, I was all drugged up at the time but I will not say it was the right thing to do.

I disagree, there are lots if similarities.
The gear of choice for rock stars is not only frowned upon, its against the law.
Not IOC law or WADA law but THE law. It doesnt get much more serious than that. We still allow our loved ones to buy into that myth though..

Pro cycling has never been the poster boy for health and vitality any more than being a rock star has. Its always been about entertainment first and foremost.

It's just unfortunate that some people who dream of becoming pro cyclists don't realise that until its too late.