- Jun 23, 2009
I voted YES. A cancer surviver with 7 Tour victories and giving people struggling with cancer "hope" is under doping suspicion. That's a situation that needs a Yes I care if Lance doped.
By Gregg Doyel CBSSports.com National Columnist said:And people might be upset that Armstrong used steroids to win the Tour de France, and that he has lied about it? Not me. I forgive him.
And I thank him.
black and white....zero tolerance...future more important....Neworld said:I voted yes for the following reasons:
1. Doping is cheating. That is black and white.
2. There are many ways to dope, some are more efficacious than others and not every rider, nor doper, has equal access to the same dope. That is to say that some dopers have more money and better dope. Dopers cheat us all and other even other dopers.
3. Accountability: There should be accountability to fans that watch a particular sport so that dopers are caught or deterred from cheating. Successful dopers will benefit from the 'spin off' of 'heroism' and may either erroneously channel monies to doping funded external initiatives or their personal pockets.
4. History: unfortunately finding out the truth about dopers canNOT change the past/history, but future annotation of the facts is even more important. Catch the dopers, fine/penalize them, publically embarass them(an excellent deterrent) and cut the cord.
There should be zero tolerance for doper.
I completely agree, as a cancer survivor myself, this idiot doesnt give anyone hope.isayic said:I voted YES. A cancer surviver with 7 Tour victories and giving people struggling with cancer "hope" is under doping suspicion. That's a situation that needs a Yes I care if Lance doped.
Yes, the martyrization of Lance has begun.Polish said:I expect to see more and more articles like this one:
Polish said:black and white....zero tolerance...future more important....
So, Eddy doping is 1969 and Lance doping in 1999.
Fine/penalize Eddy....embarass him?
Yikes, you are a brave brave person.
He will eat you nom nom nom.
Sorry I dropped the ball on that question of yours back then...Neworld said:About 4 months ago I directly asked you if you "think LA doped". You answered all my other questions prior to that, but then suddenly you disappeared from that thread for a while. .
i suppose roger clemens still has fans. with the passage of time lance will eventually come clean like pete rose.Polish said:There are PLENTY of people already who have a favorable opinion of Lance and think that he doped.
And among the so called "BrainWashed" people, plenty more will remain fans even when they learn more about Lance doping and pro cycling.
auscyclefan94 said:Yes, personally I think the reason the sport is so ****ed is because of Lance. That's why i care that justice is done.
I like both these answers even though one said I do care and other doesn't care. To go down as an example to others requires what ACF said... that's justice. For me, that's the bottom line. Wouldn't it be great if the field was playing on even terms and the pros who want to be clean can do so and not feel compelled to dope? It's going to take justice and consequences to get there.hrotha said:I don't care that Lance doped, in the sense that I realize it wasn't a moral question at the time (just as it probably isn't a moral question now). But I do want him to go down because the goal of cleaning up the sport, if at all possible, certainly requires the most successful doper to go down as an example to others.
MR_Sarcastic said:The only thing that I care about is if the two guys that beat me all last year are "Juiced".....They don't do dope tests at the Tour de Industrial Park.
As for Professional riders, I could care less.
If they catch you, you should be out for good. If you can get away with it, you're a great Sportsman.
If people cared about doping, nobody would watch Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, or Soccer. We'd all be watching Dart tournaments on TV.
kurtinsc said:I voted no.
I'm not going to be upset if/when he goes down for it, but I enjoyed watching him ride, as much as I did with Indurain, Patani, Ulrich and others who I believe doped while putting forward those performances I enjoyed.
Their doping won't in any way impact how much I enjoyed watching the races 5+ years ago.
If he were going to be a major competitor in races going forward, I might care some.
I'm mildly interested in how he doped and why he may have been able to dope better then others. I'm interested in how he compares to others of the same period and if his doping program gave him enough more of an edge that his results should be overlooked in historical discussions about the sport. But I don't "care"... I'm not going to be bothered one way or another regardless of what the result is.
VeloFidelis said:I voted "no" as well. We have all been cheering doped riders for as long as we have been fans. For me that is since the late 60's. Some of the biggest hero's of the sport were the worst offenders of their era. How is it any different now?
I totally agree with all of the above and I voted "No" for the exact same reasons.VeloFidelis said:...but my position for the record is:
Absolutley Lance doped, and he beat the "worst offenders" of his era while being one of them.
Is he "one of the best riders ever?" Absolutely as well! He is a genetic mutant built for the demands of cycling, just like Ullrich, Pantani, Vino, Basso, Contador and both Schlecks, all of whom raced every bit as well prepared as Lance.
I have been a fan for a long time and doping has existed for all of it. I continue to be amused that the problem is regarded as new, or solvable. In the immortal words of Jacque Anquetil, "only a fool would imagine it was possible to ride Bordeaux–Paris on just water."
As to reading an article about Lance admitting to doping?... I would absolutely read that as well, but not because it is new information, only because it is something I firmly believe will never happen. If I am wrong... it will be that much better reading.
Some people have been at the last stage for years. I feel the same about Indurain. Yeah, he probably doped... but so what? I liked watching Patani and Ullrich and Vino as well.Andynonomous said:For the Armstrong defenders, it was -
- He didn't dope.
Then it was -
- You can't prove he doped.
Then it was -
- I don't know if he doped or not, but they all do it.
Now it's -
- Ya, he probably doped, but so what.
Where is the 'I am a troll' option?Polish said:There have been quite a few polls in the Popular Press lately asking people if they believe Lance doped or not.
The results so far are typically 50% yes, 50% no.
But the "Yes" votes are bound to increase as more people become educated on the matter.
A question the polls fail to ask is "Do you care if Lance doped"
An interesting follow-up question would be "do you care?"
What do you guys/gals here in the Clinic think?
Do you care or not?
I look at the bright side. The bike shop owner toild me hey read Lance to Landis, by Walshe. Every time iI go into his shop he has the pained expression of a man with 20 hemroids. Then he gave me all his pro cycling magazines. I smoke him in any bike rides. Thanks Mr. Walshe, job well done. I get the fitness and entertainment and others feel your anger and bitterness.kurtinsc said:Some people have been at the last stage for years. I feel the same about Indurain. Yeah, he probably doped... but so what? I liked watching Patani and Ullrich and Vino as well.
If I got upset and angry at every cycling doper... well I don't think I could watch cycling.
I'm thinking there's a corollary between the rate of alcohol consumption, and the number of spelling errors and lack of comprehensible punctuation in a post...flicker said:I look at the bright side. The bike shop owner toild me hey read Lance to Landis, by Walshe. Every time iI go into his shop he has the pained expression of a man with 20 hemroids. Then he gave me all his pro cycling magazines. I smoke him in any bike rides. Thanks Mr. Walshe, job well done. I get the fitness and entertainment and others feel your anger and bitterness.
actually i think it is another powdered substance and his teeth must almost be ground down.MacRoadie said:I'm thinking there's a corollary between the rate of alcohol consumption, and the number of spelling errors and lack of comprehensible punctuation in a post...
I mispill porpisly, so that my trooths willn't be so panefull too yoo.MacRoadie said:I'm thinking there's a corollary between the rate of alcohol consumption, and the number of spelling errors and lack of comprehensible punctuation in a post...