Poll of new era, second round

[Netserk]

That's one of the things I really like about them.

How can you not love 8 men giving their all and sacrificing everything for one of their mates to win? If Colombia or Androni does that effectively to win a stage (let alone a big stage race), everyone here celebrates.

Cycling is not a team sport.

 

[Pentacycle]

Cycling is not a team sport.

An individual team sport is the best description, but saying teams don't matter at all goes too far in my book. Close to all victories nowadays are the result of good teamwork.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

That's one of the things I really like about them.

How can you not love 8 men giving their all and sacrificing everything for one of their mates to win? If Colombia or Androni does that effectively to win a stage (let alone a big stage race), everyone here celebrates.

I think you misunderstand my point.

 

[Netserk]

An individual team sport is the best description, but saying teams don't matter at all goes too far in my book. Close to all victories nowadays are the result of good teamwork.

I didn't say that teams don't matter, but that it's not a team sport. Difference.

Today Degenkolb won the stage. Not Argos.

 

[spalco]

Cycling is not a team sport.

I honestly don't understand how you could say that.

What's the point of 200 men starting in a GT if (maybe) a couple dozen only ever have even a chance for glory? Or half a dozen if you focus on the general classement?

I'm very much baffled by this comment in more ways than I can state in just a short reply.

Why don't you skip the road season and just watch track racing and cyclocross?

 

[Netserk]

I honestly don't understand how you could say that.

What's the point of 200 men starting in a GT if (maybe) a couple dozen only ever have even a chance for glory? Or half a dozen if you focus on the general classement?

I'm very much baffled by this comment in more ways than I can state in just a short reply.

Why don't you skip the road season and just watch track racing and cyclocross?

Mentally cycling is an individual sport. There is only one winner. All the rest are losers. Whether you're 2nd or 102nd you still lost.

Did Froome win or lose the Tour last year? He lost it.

 

[spalco]

Froome lost, I agree, but can you really say Eisel lost, or Rogers lost? They did their job and got paid well to do it.

 

[Netserk]

Froome lost, I agree, but can you really say Eisel lost, or Rogers lost? They did their job and got paid well to do it.

Did they win?

 

[spalco]

I would say yes. They got a paycheck that vastly exceeds the value of their GC position.

 

[Netserk]

I would say yes. They got a paycheck that vastly exceeds the value of their GC position.

I guess we'll just disagree then. IMO Eisel didn't win the Tour.

 

[icefire]

I don't give a Fcuk about polls. Poll season ended two months ago.

 

[airstream]

Netserk, in short you say they are not stronger individually and only helpers is the reason why they win the races?

 

[Netserk]

Netserk, in short you say they are not stronger individually and only helpers is the reason why they win the races?

I have no idea what you tried to say, but I know I didn't write what you just wrote. I guess that mean no?

 

[ElChingon]

I find them to be yet another Cycling team. Sure they won le Tour and I think that has many with their panties in a bunch because their favorite rider didn't win and well blame everything on the winner, in this case Team Sky. Its been the same since the dawn of Bike Racing, some of you's need to read up, the winners always get hated on by some proportion of the fans because their rider lost to that team (which ever team/rider won). If you look at any team under the same microscope you'll find an equal number of faults, of course when you look at your favorite team/rider's team you won't see anything wrong, but those who don't like your team will see a mountain of faults to poke at.

Had you said if I hated a particular rider on Team Sky well then I might of voted differently.

 

[airstream]

I have no idea what you tried to say, but I know I didn't write what you just wrote. I guess that mean no?

I tried to formulate what you meant in your reasonings about 'team sport'

 

[ebandit]

indifferent

i'm british ...........been following cycling since the 1970's...........when british

successes were so few and far apart

wiggo stole the glorious moment when at last a british rider won the tour

but listening to all the haterz here on the forum make me like team sky more!

Mark L

 

[richtea]

I didn't say that teams don't matter, but that it's not a team sport. Difference.

Today Degenkolb won the stage. Not Argos.

Insightful stuff

 

[Magnus]

Mentally cycling is an individual sport. There is only one winner. All the rest are losers.

I think many cycling fans see cycling as both as an individual and a team sport. Many even say this is part of what makes cycling beautiful.

If you insist on a on-dimensional, binary perception of cycling you could argue that there is one winner of each race and that the rest are losers.
But that is not how things are usually addressed.

For instance, in football or tennis it would be normal to ask the loser of a match how they feel about loosing (in a post-match interview). Nobody in their right mind would ask Danny Pate about how he felt about losing yesterdays GdI stage. It just doesn't make sense to ask that question because the stage was never his to lose.

 

[hrotha]

I hate the team and the management. I like several of the riders.

Same here.

 

[webbie146]

I like the Sky train because they remind me of the good old blue/usps train

 

[Magnus]

When they first came to the road cycling scene i didn't like them.
But they've followed a steep learning curve and improved a lot, which I respect and I like a lot of their riders (but the again I like most riders).
Overall I guess I'm mostly indifferent about Team Sky as a team.

 

[Ruudz0r]

I like them. I believe in clean cycling and I believe SKY is clean. They are making racing more and more professional and show there is a lot of room for improvement with insights from other sports.

Maybe their racing style aint the most fun to watch, but its their tactic and it works.

 

[SafeBet]

indifferent.
If you can't attack them it just means that you are not strong enough.

I think from now on I'll just quote Vino's answers in polls.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I didn't say that teams don't matter, but that it's not a team sport. Difference.

Today Degenkolb won the stage. Not Argos.

And yet the other 8 Argos riders, who apparently contributed nothing, will all get the same prize money for this stage as Degenkolb.

 

[Netserk]

And yet the other 8 Argos riders, who apparently contributed nothing, will all get the same prize money for this stage as Degenkolb.

Did I say that they didn't contribute? No. Will they officially get the same prize money? No.