Poor Sportsmanship

[thrawn]

Not cycling, but this would have to be the worst case of poor sportsmanship that I've ever seen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CecGsG_4yoc

 

[Spare Tyre]

Interestingly, the Aussie weightlifter (?) has given a public and genuine-seeming apology but Cycling Australia has said Perkins will be dealt with behind closed doors.

 

[Tuarts]

Robbie McEwen never raced on the track. Still idiotic to attach all Aussie atheletes to this.

Guess it means all Dutch riders are pyscho because of the Theo Bos incident in Turkey...

 

[Angliru]

None of us have been sportsman in an arena where you've felt to have been unfairly disqualified.

????????? Do you personally know me and all the other's that post on this forum to make that statement??????

 

[TRDean]

DAOTEC, Australia is not the only team to show bad sportmanship in the past so please do not label Australians to be the only people who are bad sports. I thought his DQ was 50/50 descision. They also took a very long time to make the descision to DQ him which indicates that it was a tough descision. There are plenty of examples for other countries.

The area he did the two fingers at had no people there whatsoever.

Really no different than you and your "Spanish riders dope" posts...this is a good topic...

 

[Anonymous]

DAOTEC, Australia is not the only team to show bad sportmanship in the past so please do not label Australians to be the only people who are bad sports. I thought his DQ was 50/50 descision. They also took a very long time to make the descision to DQ him which indicates that it was a tough descision. There are plenty of examples for other countries.

The area he did the two fingers at had no people there whatsoever.

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Sometimes you have to take a step back from your nationalistic pride and NOT defense the indefensible.

They were wrong, and the australian federation admit they where wrong, the wrestler has admitted he was wrong.

Making excuses about how close the dq decision was, or the fact that nobody was in the area where he made the rude gesture (which clearly they were) just makes you look silly.

Sometimes you need to just hold you hands up and say on this occasion, we got it wrong.

That said, Im not stupid enough to judge an entire nation based on the idiotic actions of two or three mindless individuals.

 

[Tuarts]

Oh I'll defend against the weightlifter's action because he can't be judged as an Australian, he's really a Tunisian.

 

[Boeing]

DAOTEC, Australia is not the only team to show bad sportmanship in the past so please do not label Australians to be the only people who are bad sports. I thought his DQ was 50/50 descision. They also took a very long time to make the descision to DQ him which indicates that it was a tough descision. There are plenty of examples for other countries.

The area he did the two fingers at had no people there whatsoever.

I am not sure there was a label thrown out here but your point is taken, the first part anyway

however you kill yourself with the ridiculous excuse in your last sentance

Typical BRUCE

 

[JA.Tri]

Perkins was relegated not DQ'd (unlike the Aussie girl in the sprint).

Please note the Aussie was a wrestler (G/Roman style).

I thought that Perkins would probably be penalised for the sprint crash and therefore was not surprised at the outcome.

However the "salute" left a sour taste in my mouth and I WAS surprised that Perkins was not subsequently DQ'd. Less of a surprise was the relative lack of action by the Aussie officials, bit of a shame.

Also a shame, Perkins did not of his own volition make public amends.

 

[The Hitch]

????????? Do you personally know me and all the other's that post on this forum to make that statement??????

You have been an athlete? Do tell.

 

[Anonymous]

You have been an athlete? Do tell.

I think everyone, athlete or not has come into contact with refereeing/commisair decisions they disagreed with at some point, be it at school, sunday football, local cycling, pool, darts etc. I think his attempt to claim expert knowledge is a bit feeble.

if anything its my opinion those in the higher echelons of sport get away with blue murder.

Try putting up with the lower ends of sport where the home team generally provide the referee. Even then you still have to abide by their decisions and treat them with respect.

I have a feeling following the closure of the other one this is going to turn into the new aussie bating thread :/

 

[The Hitch]

I think everyone, athlete or not has come into contact with refereeing/commisair decisions they disagreed with at some point, be it at school, sunday football, local cycling, pool, darts etc. I think his attempt to claim expert knowledge is a bit feeble.

if anything its my opinion those in the higher echelons of sport get away with blue murder.

Try putting up with the lower ends of sport where the home team generally provide the referee. Even then you still have to abide by their decisions and treat them with respect.

I have a feeling following the closure of the other one this is going to turn into the new aussie bating thread :/

But the way he said "you dont know me or other posters" i felt Angliru was implying he had been in higher up sport before. If this is the case i would like to hear the story. If not, my bad.

 

[indurain666]

And people wrongly stereotype. It is a shame as I see Perkins being a big medal chance in London for Aus and he just shouldn't do that. He would of probably won the gold so it is a shame. He is competing right now in the sprint semi's.

Isn't that what you guys and P.McQuaid were doing on another threads? i.e. implying Spain as a whole supports doping including government bodies, public, etc just because athletes were testing positive. Hopefully you will realize how ignorant your comments (i.e. you can purchase EPO at any pharmacy in Spain) are when you see it from the other side: people judging a whole country based on the actions of a few jackasses..

 

[Sydney Sider]

I bit of arrogance is fine when you are beating the best in the world. Arrogance and petulance is a bit much when you are beating India, Malaysia and Scottish schoolgirls

You can only beat who is put in front of you , not their fault who they are racing against .

Are you going to do the same for Cav as he never races against Greipel.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Sometimes you have to take a step back from your nationalistic pride and NOT defense the indefensible.

They were wrong, and the australian federation admit they where wrong, the wrestler has admitted he was wrong.

Making excuses about how close the dq decision was, or the fact that nobody was in the area where he made the rude gesture (which clearly they were) just makes you look silly.

Sometimes you need to just hold you hands up and say on this occasion, we got it wrong.

That said, Im not stupid enough to judge an entire nation based on the idiotic actions of two or three mindless individuals.

Exactly, I totally agree with the bolded part. I wasn't making excuses for the guy but simply explaining what had happened.

Isn't that what you guys and P.McQuaid were doing on another threads? i.e. implying Spain as a whole supports doping including government bodies, public, etc just because athletes were testing positive. Hopefully you will realize how ignorant your comments (i.e. you can purchase EPO at any pharmacy in Spain) are when you see it from the other side: people judging a whole country based on the actions of a few jackasses..

Yes, but I do recognise that there are other countries that doping is rampant in. Spain has had the most positives of what I can remember but also in that thread I said that we should not stereotype them as all dopers. I had a go at that government official because she supported a guy who had tested positive for banned substances. What message does that send people? That the government supports doping. I also had a go at that italian torri who made stupid comments saying that "we should legalise doping". Get your facts right before you make absurd comments!

 

[Angliru]

But the way he said "you dont know me or other posters" i felt Angliru was implying he had been in higher up sport before. If this is the case i would like to hear the story. If not, my bad.

My post was intended to point out that we don't know enough about one another to make such a statement. No, I haven't been in "higher up sport" before. I've competed but as Team Sky stated, at whatever level one has competed we have all likely encountered officiating that was not to our liking.
Being at the elite level doesn't excuse bad behaviour. That is a poor excuse when so many are able to deal with certain adversity with a degree of class.

 

[Night Rider]

I have seen enough bad umpiring and offiicating decisions in my lifetime to excuse the odd two fingered salute and verbal spray here and there.

In a world of plastic sportsmen and dumbed down media friendly politically correct interviews it's refreshing for a sportsman to let us know exactly what they're thinking.

 

[Anonymous]

You can only beat who is put in front of you , not their fault who they are racing against .

Are you going to do the same for Cav as he never races against Greipel.

I think that will change next year To be honest you cant blame HTC for splitting the two between races to maximise wins.

But if Cav wins the commonwealth games I shant be getting excited about it one little bit.

If froome wins I might be able to spare the effort to give a brief one line report.

 

[Sydney Sider]

I think that will change next year To be honest you cant blame HTC for splitting the two between races to maximise wins.

But if Cav wins the commonwealth games I shant be getting excited about it one little bit.

If froome wins I might be able to spare the effort to give a brief one line report.

I understand why HTC do it too, i think i misunderstood your point.

I thought you meant athletes being arrogant not supporters. If you did mean Athletes its not about whether you want to be excited as a fan. Im sure Athletes consider a Commonwealth Games Gold Medal a bloody big deal and im sure every Gold Medal winner celebrates their win no matter who they beat.

 

[Boeing]

In a world of plastic sportsmen and dumbed down media friendly politically correct interviews it's refreshing for a sportsman to let us know exactly what they're thinking.

That is a good point. All the canned replies we hear on ESPN and sideline reporting are just so vanilla...blah

My thought it is the dumbed down replies coaches and players give and less the interviewer...

There is also a difference between a bratty ****y whine when one loses (ie Wiggo Worlds) and smack talk

I actually Love Cav's smack talk during the Tour. Remember him calling Tyler F his lead out man??? that was large. And during one of Frankie A's milk money interviews Cav kept asking Frankie to ask him about Tyler "go on ask me a bout Tyler" that was great

I am cool with TO and Ochocinco as well

 

[DAOTEC]

Promised would come back for more auscyclefan94

both he and the wrestler should be sent home

It is the ultimate in poor sportsmanship and poor behaviour and reflects incredibly badly on australia. This is how we got the poor reputation in the first place

Aussie NewsPaper Poll you win !

DAOTEC, Australia is not the only team to show bad sportmanship in the past so please do not label Australians to be the only people who are bad sports. I thought his DQ was 50/50 descision. They also took a very long time to make the descision to DQ him which indicates that it was a tough descision. There are plenty of examples for other countries.

The area he did the two fingers at had no people there whatsoever.

You lose and not by a thread, so you don't know the feeling of the Aussie in general towards these moral things.

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Sometimes you have to take a step back from your nationalistic pride and NOT defense the indefensible.

They were wrong, and the australian federation admit they where wrong, the wrestler has admitted he was wrong.

Making excuses about how close the dq decision was, or the fact that nobody was in the area where he made the rude gesture (which clearly they were) just makes you look silly.

Sometimes you need to just hold you hands up and say on this occasion, we got it wrong.

That said, Im not stupid enough to judge an entire nation based on the idiotic actions of two or three mindless individuals.

People in the suvey agree with you, but for the last part you are speaking for own parish, the meaning of the average man in public giving sponsors a boost to invest in sports do not, as you see below.


08 Oct, 2010 04:00 AM | Are Aussies sore losers?

(Read carefully the last part concerning the athletes and you will see the diff in attitude!)

The Daily Liberal asked Dubbo locals if Australia really is a nation of bad sports.

“No way,” said Dave Harrogon, “That’s just a one-off.”

“I would probably respond the same way, particularly if you’re disqualified from a final - it’s not fair.”

“Yeah, I don’t think we’re bad sports,” said Matt Muller.

“Though I don’t really follow sports like the Commonwealth Games much - not that interested.”

Joe Cummins and Jake Price agree.

“It’s a one-off definitely,” Mr Cummins said.

“I wouldn’t be so sure,” said Maddie Harvey.

“I think what they did is really bad sportsmanship.

“They shouldn’t have behaved that way because it makes all Australians look bad overseas.”

“Yes, it’s bad for national image, said Keira Garling.

“I think they should apologise.”

Hassene Fkiri said sorry to his opponent yesterday for raising his finger and agreed it was a “unsporting” action.

“I lost control of my emotion because I was too focused on winning a gold medal for my adopted country,” he said.

“Shane Perkins has not apologized, nor to the offics, nor to Australia CW team members, nor to the public in general.”

[http://dailyliberal.com.au/news/local/news/general/are-we-sore-losers]

 

[RedZone]

Honestly, who gives a ****. As an Aussie I reckon we are pretty bad losers, because we love to win. Maybe thats why we historically punch above our weight in sports.

The real question is why are people so sensitive these days? He got DQd and it ****ed him off, so he showed some emotion, and now we're meant to hang him from the highest rafter?

Screw that, show some bloody heart and flip them all the bird Shane, cuz Ill be on the couch doing it with you.

 

[Spare Tyre]

Honestly, who gives a ****. As an Aussie I reckon we are pretty bad losers, because we love to win. Maybe thats why we historically punch above our weight in sports.

The real question is why are people so sensitive these days? He got DQd and it ****ed him off, so he showed some emotion, and now we're meant to hang him from the highest rafter?

Screw that, show some bloody heart and flip them all the bird Shane, cuz Ill be on the couch doing it with you.

And as an Aussie I reckon we are sometimes bad losers because a sense of belligerent entitlement has crept into our national character.

Competitive sport involves abiding by the rules and by the decisions of referees, even when you disagree.

Representing your country in sporting competitions used to be seen as a privilege, and with this went an accompanying responsibility to represent your country well and with some dignity. (I realise "dignity" is a rather quaint notion these days, but "with respect for others" should still be possible, surely?)

Frankly, with all the money the Australian Government puts into sport and sending athletes around the world to compete, I don't think it's too much to ask people to restrain themselves from telling people to f&*k off.

 

[Galic Ho]

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Sometimes you have to take a step back from your nationalistic pride and NOT defense the indefensible.

They were wrong, and the australian federation admit they where wrong, the wrestler has admitted he was wrong.

Making excuses about how close the dq decision was, or the fact that nobody was in the area where he made the rude gesture (which clearly they were) just makes you look silly.

Sometimes you need to just hold you hands up and say on this occasion, we got it wrong.

That said, Im not stupid enough to judge an entire nation based on the idiotic actions of two or three mindless individuals.

Yeah Perkins was stupid.

What he did pales into comparison on what Linford Christie had his two little dames dish out in the 100m womens final last night. They colluded, deliberately to throw the race start off, with one girl interrupting the start. She was never a medal chance and the Poms knew it. Worse, her team mate knew what was happening (same coach) and knew the second start was the real one. She blew it and refused to leave after the official declared here start an illegal break, Sure the Aussie girl Pearsons broke to but the race carried on. Look at Pearsons reaction and then look at the English girl (sacrifical lamb) on here right in the front on for the second start. Fist pump and body language tell it all. Her tactic worked...or so she thought.

After English ***** no.1 refuses to go (moth in her mouth excuse...lame) everyone races. Silly girl lost her cool and the whole Christie pre race plan went out the window. No English medal...so what to do? Protest. If Australia wins and the bad sporting conduct of two English tossers colluding can only bring in 4th and last, why not? So Dim, do respond. Some Aussie flipping the bird...big deal. We have Poms colluding to rig an event. Professional cheating. Body language and behaviour all indicate a strong possibility of collusion. Heck, I called it out live. Linford Christie had a history of BS deliberate false starts in sprints during his hey day. He was also a blatant doper...but which track runner wasn't...not the issue. Two riders with suspect behaviour implementing dubious tactics that their coach used. Heck, Linford *****ed like a little girl when they booted him from the mens 100m final in Atlanta.

So we have bad behaviour versus professional cheating. heck, England couldn't even do that and make the podium. Pathetic. More loser mentality from that sad little island. What happened to everyone for themselves in sporting competition? Oh I forgot, that goes out the door when your coach is gutter scum from England. I dare anyone to say flipping the bird is worse than collusion and deliberate gamesmanship implemented by team mates to ensure one gets a medal. Think I'm crazy? Which of the English girls was faster? The one who didn't interrupt the start. Combine her false start after (she knew she had to get a gun start and her team mates delay did psych everyone else bar Pearson) and the fist pump from the sacrificial lamb, I've seen enough. False start rules changed because of Christie.

Australians are bad sports! Some people act stupidly, Renshaw was and still is an idiot. "I'm afraid of Dengue fever." Please! Harden up chump and be honest for once. At least Aussies aren't colluding in order to win a Commonwealth Medal FFS and when that doesn't work, damn it, whinge like a little *****. Someone mentioned our cricketers attitudes towards Indians. One man. Harbhajan Singh. Ask Srinath Preesanth what that piece of crap is really like. Scum, lowest common denominator. Go to India and sit in the stands. Worse, go to ****stan. Ten years ago there were reports on how vile it was. Sit next to a ****stani man and even if you are a bloke, expect a finger to be aimed at your rectum. This from the Fanatics founders accounts of their first trips to ****stan in the 90s. Yeah, real charming people. Come to Australia, you won't have that happen unless you pay someone to do it. Kookaburras in the cricket last night versus India. India had Austalia on the ropes. 2:1. India were really on fire, so was the crowd (first real crowd all Comm Games). I told the person I was viewing with, that if Australia got a short corner, we'd score. We finally got into their half, got a short corner. Two attempts was all it took to score. We go 3:1. I said then, that India would choke and the crowd, because they possess a loser mentality, would drown down and stop their rauccus. What happened? Crowd stopped cheering. Indian players lost their focus, slowed down, made mistakes, Australia gained possession and momentum and tore India apart. Indian loser crowd left their team to die. They deserted the stadium.

Aussies don't do that unless they are Sydney Rooster fans but they only leave when their team is winning. Aussies sore losers...nah, not by a long shot compared to other nations. We don't abandon our own...well some of us do but most would argue they aren't really Aussies. Their imposters. Posers. There are few on this forum. We don't boo our national football team Dim when they stuff up at the WC. We get behind them and cheer them on. You want a winning spirit. Show some god damn sportsmanship as a fan people. Call everyone out. I call the idiot Aussies out all the time. I don't make excuses for their childish antics and BS. As a fan I don't go to a sport event and leave when my team isn't going well. Lastly, I don't engage in the most despicable act imaginable and boo anyone. Even the bottom of the barrel dopers cycling is littered with. If you booed an Aussie team like the English booed their football team, you would leave the venue in an ambulance. Enough Australia bashing...get some perspective people. There are lone idiots and then there are mobs with mob mentalities. One person upset doesn't compare to a crowd deserting, nor does it compare to a team deliberately milking professional rules to throw off their competitors. The bird...I'm giving to you people who wandered into Idiotville by chance on this thread the metaphorical bird right now across cyberspace. Grow up and use your brains.

 

[Ferminal]

DAOTEC, I actually think many Australian sportsmen are so wired into their competition that they are quite bad losers and poor sports overall.

However, you have failed to construct any sort of an argument using your own points, which is why you may be facing some opposition here. In addition to passing judgement on a whole nation based on a few cyclists.

If you're going to be Mr. Journalist and attempt to appear completely objective, you should at least finish the job.

'From villain to hero: Perkins snatches sprint gold'

SHANE PERKINS has responded to his two-fingered salute to cycling judges with a gold medal in the sprint, and before facing Australian Commonwealth Games bosses on Thursday night over the previous evening's controversy he said he felt proud of himself for making the best of a bad situation.

Perkins told the Herald that if he had raised one finger at officials as a way of venting his frustration at being disqualified from the gold medal ride-off in the keirin he would have ''gone home myself''. ''There's no way I would have done that,'' he said.

And while he described his double digit gesture as ''a bad judgement call'', Perkins, who was due to meet with Australia's chef de mission Steve Moneghetti last night before shooting for another gold medal today, said he apologised to the race judges immediately after Wednesday's race and that it had been accepted.

''I was just taking a bit of frustration out, and it was the wrong thing to do because they're doing their job,'' he said. ''Obviously on my part it was a bad judgment call and I've taken it upon myself to apologise personally to the judges and commissaires, and they're happy with that. The thing that I want to say is that I'm proud of myself for doing that, and also turning it around and now I've come away with a gold medal.''

Asked whether he wished he could take the moment back, Perkins said: ''Yeah, but you can't take anything back. Once it's done it's done and there's no point looking back on it. Obviously now I've moved on - [I have a ] Games record and gold medal.''

http://www.smh.com.au/commonwealth-...kins-snatches-sprint-gold-20101008-16a1o.html