Power Data Estimates for the climbing stages

[Red Rick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398010574777298956

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Though I wanna see the VAM for the final 7km, cuase that's more how they pace efforts these days.

Probably better than I thought initally. Roglic was 1845 VAM on Moncalvillo which was a bit shorter and had more domestique pacing.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The underwhelm is killing me.

Apparently I was only 3 seconds off:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398307985458450436

Kinda funny, the performances are much more in line with pre-2020 high level performances, unlike the WTF watts that less established gc riders where pushing during the last Giro...

 

[PhiLiz]

The underwhelm is killing me.

Just a little below 29m:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398311494752813058

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Am I crazy or, since he's below 60kg, he just did, at least 6.5w/kg in a 30m climb?

 

[Mayomaniac]

Just a little below 29m:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398311494752813058

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1398311494752813058


Am I crazy or, since he's below 60kg, he just did, at least 6.5w/kg in a 30m climb?

Caruso did 409W, 6.1w/kg (according to the file that he has posted on Strava), so it's probably not that high.

 

[PhiLiz]

Caruso did 409W, 6.1w/kg (according to the file that he has posted on Strava), so it's probably not that high.

Isn't Caruso almost 10kgs heavier than Yates?

 

[Froome]

Isn't Caruso almost 10kgs heavier than Yates?

Yates certainly did less than 409 watts, because he is less heavier than yates. What matters is the watts per kilo, not the watts. So, if caruso did 409 and his weight is 67, 409÷67=6.1 w/kg.
Yates probably did less than 400 watts on this climb but that's because he weights just 60 kg.

 

[PhiLiz]

Yates certainly did less than 409 watts, because he is less heavier than yates. What matters is the watts per kilo, not the watts. So, if caruso did 409 and his weight is 67, 409÷67=6.1 w/kg.
Yates probably did less than 400 watts on this climb but that's because he weights just 60 kg.

Apparently someone did the same math as I did:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398321021455851526

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1398321021455851526


wtf? After almost 3 weeks, grueling days and he does this?

 

[Froome]

On climbing records they said thay yates climbed alpe di mera in 28min and 55 seconds, 9.1 km at 9.7%, at 6.5 w/kg. I don't think it was so much, certainly it was 6.3/6.4 w/kg for yates.

 

[SafeBet]

That's a damn good performance at the end of a GT. Fireworks tomorrow?

 

[Mayomaniac]

On climbing records they said thay yates climbed alpe di mera in 28min and 55 seconds, 9.1 km at 9.7%, at 6.5 w/kg. I don't think it was so much, certainly it was 6.3/6.4 w/kg for yates.

Yeah, that sounds a bit more "reasonable" and in line with the performance of the other riders.
Clearly a high level performance, but it has to be said that the gc riders took it really easy yesterday and had nice weather and a rather easy route before the final climb.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, that sounds a bit more "reasonable" and in line with the performance of the other riders.
Clearly a high level performance, but it has to be said that the gc riders took it really easy yesterday and had nice weather and a rather easy route before the final climb.

Don't think moderate ease or completely easy matters that much. They did do an average of 40kph on a mountain stage today, and Nieve was pacing the penultimate climb.

Yates also did most of the pacing on his own, and his estimated W/kg should be higher since he's ~58kg.

 

[Pinot's goat]

Apparently someone did the same math as I did:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398321021455851526

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1398321021455851526


wtf? After almost 3 weeks, grueling days and he does this?

Mihai seems to overstate by 0.1-0.2 w/kg often so I do think it is a little lower than he says.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Don't think moderate ease or completely easy matters that much. They did do an average of 40kph on a mountain stage today, and Nieve was pacing the penultimate climb.

Yates also did most of the pacing on his own, and his estimated W/kg should be higher since he's ~58kg.

You're probaby right about moderate ease vs easy, the weather (low temperatures and rain) has probably a bigger effect.

 

[Red Rick]

You're probaby right about moderate ease vs easy, the weather (low temperatures and rain) has probably a bigger effect.

I think altitude too, which somehow is only thought about when it's over 2000m.

 

[PhiLiz]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ammattipyoraily

So, between 6.4 and 6.5 it seems. And by the time they arrived at the penultimate climb they were almost 10m ahead of the best foreseen time.

In other news, there's a shortage of terbutaline in that part of Italy.

 

[Froome]

Apparently someone did the same math as I did:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398321021455851526

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1398321021455851526


wtf? After almost 3 weeks, grueling days and he does this?

Unbelievable numbers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ammattipyoraily

So, between 6.4 and 6.5 it seems. And by the time they arrived at the penultimate climb they were almost 10m ahead of the best foreseen time.

In other news, there's a shortage of terbutaline in that part of Italy.

If i'm right, the best performances last year and this year was pogi 6.5 w/kg on peyresourde in 25 mine30 s, pogi on prati di tivio 6.3 w/kg in a effort of 36 min, and hindley on piancavallo in a effort of 6.3 w/kg in 37 min. So this performance of today, is very good comparing with that performances.

 

[Eclipse]

That's a big big performance for the penultimate stage of a GT

 

[Red Rick]

Unbelievable numbers.
If i'm right, the best performances last year and this year was pogi 6.5 w/kg on peyresourde in 25 mine30 s, pogi on prati di tivio 6.3 w/kg in a effort of 36 min, and hindley on piancavallo in a effort of 6.3 w/kg in 37 min. So this performance of today, is very good comparing with that performances.

Wasn't Pogacar on Prato di Tivo and Peyresourde calculated a bit higher than that? More like ~6.6? Note that Yates was the only one close to Pogacar on Prato di Tivo.

 

[Froome]

Wasn't Pogacar on Prato di Tivo and Peyresourde calculated a bit higher than that? More like ~6.6? Note that Yates was the only one close to Pogacar on Prato di Tivo.

Yes, you're right, it was antoine vayeur that calculated not 6.6 w/kg but 6.7 w/kg by pogi on peyresourde, but it's was wrong once again, pogi put that stage on strava with the watts, and it was 6.51 w/kg.

 

[Bronstein]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1401170267548815371

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1401170267548815371

 

[Red Rick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1401170267548815371

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1401170267548815371

Tailwind is back on the menu boys

 

[Froome]

Tailwind is back on the menu boys

This is getting ridiculous, i have no doubts after this performance. I would like to know the new things that they are "eating".

 

[Pinot's goat]

I'm just imagining what Landa could have done looking at the BV riders.

 

[Eclipse]

Feels like something outrageous is going to happen next month and I have no idea who is going to deliver it.

 

[Pinot's goat]

Feels like something outrageous is going to happen next month and I have no idea who is going to deliver it.

Should be a BV rider so i will go with Wout Poels.