Power Data Estimates for the climbing stages

[Ferminal]

Someone ? Had the SRM files directly?

All this calc stuff is pure crap ology. You guys hang your hats on TELEVISION CONVERAGE WTF??????? LMAO AT YOU!

You would think that one would validate their calculations on situations where SRM data is available, thus giving some idea of how accurate they are, and what error margins they need to apply.

 

[function]

All the files for Sorenson and Flecha can be found at training peaks. Though Sorenson's FTP is listed at 400w and weight 64kg, his most impressive effort in the tour thus far was 402watts for 12 min. Setting up the cote de pra martino. A mammoth 6.3w/kg held for only 12 minutes. If his FTP is 400watts for an hour, he is way off form.

It is considerably harder holding your FTP after 4hrs of racing and on the 2nd week of a grand tour.

 

[Le breton]

Pretty obvious the winds were very substantial today.

As for the idea that the winds dont affect THAT side of the Galibier, having descended it, and nearly having gotten blown off the road by wind, I can attest differently. Yes the winds on the other side are different.

THere was a HUGE crosswind at the bottom after the turn off Lauteret up the Galibier. Paul and Phil commented that at sections it WOULD be a strong tailwind lifting them.

Different towards the top 3 km more exposed and all the riders were visibly struggling with the gradient, altitude, and wind.

All I am saying is that in my experience, with about 10-15 climbs of the south side of Galibier in the summer I can only remember one time when I was really aware of a strong wind, (while on Lautaret, east side, the wind is practically always blowing, normally west--> east in the afternoon, and more noticeable after Monnetier).

Clearly yesterday the wind was very strong on Lautaret.

As for getting blown off the road by a gust of wind, my advice would be to give up your front lenticular wheels in the mountains

More seriously, I think you are exxxxagerrrrratinggggg ( I have gone down Galibier south side more than 30 times).

 

[Anonymous]

from JV

Tommy D was 5.7 yesterday

 

[mektronic]

Now Lemond said he could do "420 or 430 watts for 20 minutes" this would but his FTP around 400 watts at 69 kg. 5.9 watts per kilo totally rested.

Incorrect - Lemond's "420/430w" was at the end of a stage.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

from JV

Tommy D was 5.7 yesterday

Is it not in Vaughter's interest to under-report these figures? He's not going to tweet you with a figure that screams 'doping' now is he.

 

[Lanark]

Is it not in Vaughter's interest to under-report these figures? He's not going to tweet you with a figure that screams 'doping' now is he.

He also isn't going to tweet a number that can later be proven is clearly false (by looking at Sörensen's numbers and making an educated guess about what people like Danielson did).

 

[Anonymous]

just finished downloading tommy d's stage 18. Last 30 mins av 5.2 w/kg..No way Schleck was doing 6.2. Someone needs to relearn math

I dunno, its all numbers to me now.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Perhaps then the sideburned showpony could post the data here and show us how 'to do the math'.

 

[halamala]

Alpe d'Huez , stage winner , Rolland 41:15

 

[roundabout]

Alpe d'Huez , stage winner , Rolland 41:15

Didn't he have a gap before the start of the climb?

I think Sanchez was the fastest up.

 

[Escarabajo]

I have Pierre Rolland 40:24 with the gap he had at the foot of the Alpe. That was 50 seconds I measured.

Weight: 67 kg
Power: 398 Watts, ~6 w/kg.

 

[roundabout]

I have Pierre Rolland 40:24 with the gap he had at the foot of the Alpe. That was 50 seconds I measured.

Weight: 67 kg
Power: 398 Watts, ~6 w/kg.

I think there's a mistake somewhere. Sanchez did 41.24 according to my stopwatch and he was faster than Rolland up the climb

 

[halamala]

Didn't he have a gap before the start of the climb?

I think Sanchez was the fastest up.

You're right. Correction, Samuel Sanchez time of 41:29 is the fastest time.

 

[Escarabajo]

I think there's a mistake somewhere. Sanchez did 41.24 according to my stopwatch and he was faster than Rolland up the climb

You are right. I have Sanchez at 41:25

I'll fix it.

 

[Escarabajo]

I have Pierre Rolland 40:24 with the gap he had at the foot of the Alpe. That was 50 seconds I measured.

Weight: 67 kg
Power: 398 Watts, ~6 w/kg.

Best time was Sanchez with 41:25

Power: 383 watts, 5.9 watts/kg

People should leave Voeckler alone!

 

[Bala Verde]

Best time was Sanchez with 41:25

Power: 383 watts, 5.9 watts/kg

People should leave Voeckler alone!

And let's not forget it was a fairly short stage...

 

[Escarabajo]

I have Pierre Rolland 40:24 with the gap he had at the foot of the Alpe. That was 50 seconds I measured.

Weight: 67 kg
Power: 398 Watts, ~6 w/kg.

Correction. I had to substract not add. New values:

Rolland's time: 42:01

Power: 380 watts, 5.7 w/kg

 

[hrotha]

And let's not forget it was a fairly short stage...

Yes but look at the way it was raced... Pretty abnormal conditions all around, difficult to extrapolate or draw conclusions.

 

[Le breton]

You're right. Correction, Samuel Sanchez time of 41:29 is the fastest time.

here is what I have.

17:09:20 P. Rolland at the foot of AdH
50 seconds ahead of Sanchez, etc

17:51:27 P. Rolland passes the finish line (42:07)

Lucho Herrera did 41:50 in 1987.

17:51:41 Samuel Sanchez finishes (41:31)

 

[BigBoat]

I do not believe the 40:24 mentioned is humanly possible, with fresh legs. With tired legs certainly not. Ha! What would a fresh Schleck have done, 39 minutes.

I still stand by Sorensen's FTP of 5.8 watts per kilo measured using his SRM power meter spot on accuracy, no arguments.....Evans, Andy, "contadope" all are over 6 watts per kilo FOR SURE due to that power data from the handy Sorensen.

They are blood doped but not as much as the olden days perhaps.....Maybe their only at 50% crits.....But that still gives a big "boost" especially if your undoped crit is 41%......

At some point their will be a new way to dope in cycling....possibly by modifying genetics......

Doping wont ever ever end, dont kid yourselves, instead learn to live with it and ride your bike for the satisfaction aerobic sports give you.

 

[DarkWing]

I'd bet the house his FTP is atleast 6.3. I'd bet a dollar he has as high a watts per kilo as Lance did back in the day up the Madone.

In the documentary Andy's tour, Andy says he has a FTP of 440w on the TT bike. At the time of filming he was 68kg.

 

[Le breton]

I do not believe the 40:24 mentioned is humanly possible, with fresh legs. With tired legs certainly not. Ha! What would a fresh Schleck have done, 39 minutes. ................

They are blood doped but not as much as the olden days perhaps.....Maybe their only at 50% crits.....But that still gives a big "boost" especially if your undoped crit is 41%......

....

Try to put some logic in your thinking (your boat seems to be sinking )

Didn't you notice in the yeras 1991 to about 2008 that the winners always climbed the last mountain pass as fast as if they had been fresh?

Since this is no longer the case something must have changed.

 

[Ferminal]

Times should be slower, when we rarely see a good old mountain train these days, and not once this month. Even if the numbers of the tops might still be a bit hard to believe for some, it seems to me that the blood doesn't run as thick down the hierarchy of the team.

What about Alberto/Andy on Telegraphe?

 

[wattage]

In the documentary Andy's tour, Andy says he has a FTP of 440w on the TT bike. At the time of filming he was 68kg.

440 watts and he TT's like crap