Predict future FIRST TIME GT winners (Clinic Edition)

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Cav option, please - not completely unrealistic if they do a GT with no-mountains and only short TT, but with 5 minute time bonuses

You have the Cav option here:

3.) Peter Sagan. He stands for all sprinter & classics stars, like sprinters Degenkolb, Kittel or classics phenomenon Gilbert, who might have a try to convert into a GT-Winner. As absurd as it sounds, such thing happened even before the EPO/Blood-Era: Freddy Maertens in 1977.

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I heard they're defrosting Fausto....

LOL. How old will he be when coming back? A will be record for the ages.
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Good grief, this is obvious.

Richie Porte.

No, no... not the obvious choices, see here:

8.) Philip Deignan. He stands for the so called "Skyborgs". Members who think Sky can win with any rider on their roster, than this is the choice in representativeness. But not including Henao or Porte, who would be obvious choices. More like Sivtsov or Cataldo...

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Before the Vuelta Horner would have been the obvious choice.. Now Its more difficult.. But Klöden is a good bet. Of course he is not peaking yet, but in 3 years time, I think he will be able to take a GT win.

ROFL...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I am suprised 20+ % of voters still believe Garmin could win another GT by picking Daniel Martin in representativeness.

Sorry for JV, but i think the window of opportunity is closed already...

 

[Almeisan]

Where is Armstrong? He's a big name rider one year younger than Horner and he never won a GT.

Wait, he has a life long ban, nevermind.

 

[Zweistein]

3.) Peter Sagan. He stands for all sprinter & classics stars, like sprinters Degenkolb, Kittel or classics phenomenon Gilbert, who might have a try to convert into a GT-Winner. As absurd as it sounds, such thing happened even before the EPO/Blood-Era: Freddy Maertens in 1977.

Freddy Maertens won the Grand Prix Nations time trial. If you can time trial that well, you have a chance. Sagan is not a good time trialist. Sean Kelly won the Vuelta but he was also a very good time trialist. I don't think Sagan should bother trying to be a GC rider since it is not in his make up and he is already getting exceptional results.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Where is Armstrong? He's a big name rider one year younger than Horner and he never won a GT.

Wait, he has a life long ban, nevermind.

Armstrong did already win a GT, oh well... he didn´t.

Anyway the Armstrong option is here:
5.) Riccardo Ricco. He stands for guys currently banned. But who cares. Since 41 year olds can win nowadays, it´s always enough time to shine after the suspension.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I don't think Sagan should bother trying to be a GC rider since it is not in his make up and he is already getting exceptional results.

Hey he still has at least 20 good years left in him. Why shouldn´t he go for one big bang, winning a GT?

 

[webbie146]

Hmm I was thinking a bit and now i know... Popovych!

 

[markene2]

The worst part is probably that Ricco will do a comeback and try for the Giro when the time comes...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hmm I was thinking a bit and now i know... Popovych!

Great call. Too young for now at age 33, but he has a hell lot of time left...

 

[webbie146]

Great call. Too young for now at age 33, but he has a hell lot of time left...

Yes he has shown even more potential then Horner by winning the white jersey in the 2005 tdf. I think he will have a shot at the 2020/2021 tdf

 

[ElChingon]

If its the clinic poll why'd you hide who voted for whom? Takes the clinic angle totally out of it, might as well put the poll up in the cafe.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

If its the clinic poll why'd you hide who voted for whom? Takes the clinic angle totally out of it, might as well put the poll up in the cafe.

Blame it on my inexperience of doing polls (it was my first).
Anyway, i have nothing to hide. Voted for my favo random rider Haga, and for Ricco when he comes back in ca. 2020.

 

[webbie146]

Or maybe...

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Armstrong did already win a GT, oh well... he didn´t.

Anyway the Armstrong option is here:
5.) Riccardo Ricco. He stands for guys currently banned. But who cares. Since 41 year olds can win nowadays, it´s always enough time to shine (GLOW) after the suspension.

Fixed it for you....

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

I've been reliably informed that David Millar has embarked on a weight losing programme and is going to start targeting one week races in the next three years. This should give him the experience to challenge for a Grand Tour in 2017/18. He has shown a similar level of ability to Horner in stage races at about the same age so there is no reason why he won't succeed. If anything, he has more chance as he won't be hampered by a poor time trial.

 

[mikkemus23]

Lance..in 8 years. 7 straight tours.

 

[roundabout]

Freddy Maertens won the Grand Prix Nations time trial. If you can time trial that well, you have a chance. Sagan is not a good time trialist. Sean Kelly won the Vuelta but he was also a very good time trialist. I don't think Sagan should bother trying to be a GC rider since it is not in his make up and he is already getting exceptional results.

Sagan wouldn't really need to transform himself much to win a GT on a route like this

http://historia.lavuelta.com/es/anio.asp?a=1977

On modern routes he doesn't stand a chance

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I've been reliably informed that David Millar has embarked on a weight losing programme and is going to start targeting one week races in the next three years. This should give him the experience to challenge for a Grand Tour in 2017/18. He has shown a similar level of ability to Horner in stage races at about the same age so there is no reason why he won't succeed. If anything, he has more chance as he won't be hampered by a poor time trial.

I guess Garmin just don´t let him ride as team captain. A big mistake as they´ll find out when he wins a GT at age 45...

Sagan wouldn't really need to transform himself much to win a GT on a route like this

http://historia.lavuelta.com/es/anio.asp?a=1977

On modern routes he doesn't stand a chance

Not working. I mean i can´t get the stage details of 1977...
Anyway, Sagan rides in a whole new great era. He just needs some more years and he very well should be a GT contender.

 

[Ferminal]

I am suprised 20+ % of voters still believe Garmin could win another GT by picking Daniel Martin in representativeness.

Sorry for JV, but i think the window of opportunity is closed already...

I was under the impression that I was voting for someone who could win based on them doping. Martin probably doesn't dope/dope much so if he changed that then yeh he would be a great chance.

 

[ElChingon]

Sagan wouldn't really need to transform himself much to win a GT on a route like this

http://historia.lavuelta.com/es/anio.asp?a=1977

On modern routes he doesn't stand a chance

He needs the ideal route like none other than Sean Kelly

 

[Ferminal]

Sean also had the luxury of a weak field.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Sagan is not a good time trialist. Sean Kelly won the Vuelta but he was also a very good time trialist. I don't think Sagan should bother trying to be a GC rider since it is not in his make up and he is already getting exceptional results.

Sagan is already a better GC rider than a large majority of recent GT winners were at his age.

 

[EnacheV]

Sagan is already a better GC rider than a large majority of recent GT winners were at his age.

Sagan strikes me as an immature racer , from GC point of view. He want immediate rewards (stage wins), i don't think he has the patience to wait 3 weeks for a win

 

[thrawn]

Well we know that being good in the 4000m pursuit is an important indicator of future GT success. I think in 6-7 years we should be seeing Jack Bobridge dominate GT's.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I was under the impression that I was voting for someone who could win based on them doping. Martin probably doesn't dope/dope much so if he changed that then yeh he would be a great chance.

That is right. Since it´s the clinic version.
But... i put the DanielMartin/Garmin choice in for those who believe there will be more (than Hesjedal) clean(ish) winners in the future. That was my original thinking.
Personally, i think that train has left forever...

Sean also had the luxury of a weak field.

Isn´t it amazing that weak fields helped many riders... even in the past.

Sagan is already a better GC rider than a large majority of recent GT winners were at his age.

Funny, isn´t it?

Well we know that being good in the 4000m pursuit is an important indicator of future GT success. I think in 6-7 years we should be seeing Jack Bobridge dominate GT's.

It get´s better by the minute. Nice call.