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Honestly can't see how Talansky can be on that list, when guys like Fuglsang and Henao are not there. Anyway, Kreuziger can definitely win one, he showed great consistende this summer (through the whole spring season aswell). Quintana too and Uran maybe..
I do not think any of the dutch talents will ever win one. They lack consistency and a bit in the mountains.
I do not think any of the dutch talents will ever win one. They lack consistency and a bit in the mountains.
Only voted Quintana. Can't see any of the others winning a GT. But I will probably be proven wrong. Like in the Giro 2012, who thought that Ryder would win?
The reason is very simple.Cance > TheRest said:
Talansky has 7th in Vuelta and 10th in TdF and he is 1 year younger than Henao, who only has 9th in Giro. So Talansky had more success in GT so far despite being younger. How would you discount him, then?
Fuglsang managed to be in top10 of GT for the first time at the age of 28. Talansky already have 2 top10 finishes at the age of 24. It's not unusual to expect him to be better than Fuglsang is now when he reaches 28.
Anderis said:
Gesink already had 3 top 10 finishes in a GT, (never lower than 7th place, with 6th TDF as highlight) before 24... and he looks further away from winning a GT than ever at 27.
Just saying why that's not a good argument.
Hell, Cunego won a GT at super young age and now isn;'t even a climber anymore
Talansky is a fighter, and seems to have good recovery. But I don't know if he has that raw talent to win a GT.
Then again, I thought Nibali didn't either.
Then again, I thought Nibali didn't either.
Pantani_lives said:Somebody didn't vote for Quintana.
well if he sticks to Tour fighting with Alien Froom, who knows whether he can win a GT or not
maxmartin said:
Yes, it's not as obvious as it seems, because he has a disadvantage in the flat time trials. However young debutants who make the Tour podium tend to go on winning it (e.g. Lemond, Ullrich).
Pantani_lives said:Somebody didn't vote for Quintana.
Who is this scoundrel that does not believe in the prophet Quintana! He must be found and shown the error of his ways!
Afrank said:Who is this scoundrel that does not believe in the prophet Quintana! He must be found and shown the error of his ways!
Ryo ban for insulation in 3.................. 2...................... 1...................
Richie still have a lot of time. I think come 2025 he will have the required strength and experience, to get his GT win.Dekker_Tifosi said:
Surprisingly much votes for Uran. Don't see him having much progression left and he is still far off the level off a GT-winner
He was never in contention for the win. He finished almost 5 minutes behind. (He did wait for Wiggins' rain farce once but gained time on the TTT and Montasio were nobody chased him.) His current level is not enough to win a GT (bar maybe a Vuelte with weak field after hard season for other top gt riders).
Kreuziger for example is pro about the same time, they are same age Tour Kreuziger>>>Giro Uran
Kreuziger for example is pro about the same time, they are same age Tour Kreuziger>>>Giro Uran
Well, I'm not saying Talansky will for sure be the best of them, but based on facts, he deserves to be listed in poll, doesn't he?Dekker_Tifosi said:
And I think claiming that Cunego is not a climber is overreacting. He was 6th in Giro last year and 6th in TdF 2 years ago. He has had a worse season this year but it doesn't mean he is not a climber anymore.
Dekker_Tifosi said:
We haven't seen enough of him to make that judgement. He's been a little up and down even during his impressive results this year so he does have to work on his consistency but I'd be surprised if he had a terrible day in Giro '14.
I see him, Talansky and obviously Quintana as future GT winners.
EDIT - I also like Kwiatkowski's chances but we need to see more from him.
How can one predict gt winners if 5 of the 7 gt winners since 2 years and 1 month ago were guys who only a couple of years earlier no one would have down as gt winners.
Quintana and Talansky may win some gts in the next few years.
Or 2 3 years down the line we may be looking at those as top 10 riders in a gt scene dominated by, who the **** knows, Angel Madrazo, Geraint Thomas, Adriano Malori and Biel Kadri.
If it had been 1 or 2 surprise gt winners one could dismiss it as a one off, but 5 in such a short space of time, pure conicidence? If Horner can win a gt why for example cant Paolo Tiralongo, maybe next year take the Astana leadership into the Giro, put in some heroics and come away with the pink?
That list above isnt even that strong apart from Quintana. Apart from him i wouldnt be surprised if none of those riders ever won a gt.
Quintana and Talansky may win some gts in the next few years.
Or 2 3 years down the line we may be looking at those as top 10 riders in a gt scene dominated by, who the **** knows, Angel Madrazo, Geraint Thomas, Adriano Malori and Biel Kadri.
If it had been 1 or 2 surprise gt winners one could dismiss it as a one off, but 5 in such a short space of time, pure conicidence? If Horner can win a gt why for example cant Paolo Tiralongo, maybe next year take the Astana leadership into the Giro, put in some heroics and come away with the pink?
That list above isnt even that strong apart from Quintana. Apart from him i wouldnt be surprised if none of those riders ever won a gt.
Anderis said:
I'd also add that I think Talansky has some ''intangibles'' that others lack. Vaughters doesn't call him 'pitbull' for no reason. This guy is determined to reach the top.
The thing about Henao is that while in gts he has sucked, he has some of the qualities that make a good gt rider meaning that a transformation into a gt rider would require less of a transformation than others.
For example John Gadret in his first few attempts at the Giro showed the climbing but no one had him down as a gt rider because in the gc he wasnt finishing high, he was only doing it occasionally on stages.
But eventually he became a gt contender.
Scarponi is maybe another example, albeit not as good as Henao at mountains the start. Similar in that they were both originally better hill riders. But even when he started being a good mountain rider the first Giro he won the 2 stages, and it was only the next Giro that the overall gt ability came.
henao, has the climbing and that wont go away. Eventually maybe like the others hell improve the other bits and from then its a small step to gt contender.
For example John Gadret in his first few attempts at the Giro showed the climbing but no one had him down as a gt rider because in the gc he wasnt finishing high, he was only doing it occasionally on stages.
But eventually he became a gt contender.
Scarponi is maybe another example, albeit not as good as Henao at mountains the start. Similar in that they were both originally better hill riders. But even when he started being a good mountain rider the first Giro he won the 2 stages, and it was only the next Giro that the overall gt ability came.
henao, has the climbing and that wont go away. Eventually maybe like the others hell improve the other bits and from then its a small step to gt contender.
Sure, but you'd definitely include Gesink on a list like this prior to the last couple of years. Interestingly, you could have even used Schleck as an argument - so much success at an early age and many still don't consider him a GT winner.Dekker_Tifosi said:
The Hitch said:
I'd argue that Purito is certainly a strong candidate. He could easily have 2 GT wins right now.
Anyway, I voted Nairo, Talansky and JRod.
Quintana is my only vote from that list.
Uran is a possibility, but I have doubts. I don't believe the Americans are future GT winners.
Uran is a possibility, but I have doubts. I don't believe the Americans are future GT winners.
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