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The context being that he was talking about a flat stage in the Ster ZLM Tour wich he was riding in as well, and suffering as usual.sniper said:According Thijs Zonneveld Lotto Jumbo was doing so well lately, as if they'd been eating jet fighters.
https://twitter.com/thijszonneveld/status/744198968461131776
Went quickly through a gallery on CN from the stage and most of riders had a bottle. But yes, it is possible to ride a TT without one.Tienus said:It was a time trial of less than one hour. Many riders departed without bottle.
The fact that he claims to have lost his powermeter is also suspiscious.
I know your point was different, but I want to add my 2 cents here. Muscles that are important for cycling and ski jumping differ. In cycling you need mostly slow twitch muscles, while in the latter you need fast twitch muscles. Ski jumpers are really allowed or at least advised to do endurance sports like cycling, so they don't gain useless mass.Rob27172 said:I don't know about ski jumping in depth but as a second tier athlete who wants to break into the big time he could well have been on steroids and other muscle enhancers anyway prior to the cycling career
if you think about it cycling and ski jumping are similar in one respect - power to weight
power of the quads and calves to launch off the ramp and low weight to fly further is key in ski jumping
so a good grasp of the use of GW1516 and whether or not he is a good responder to these type of drugs would be crucial to a pro team if they were to sign him
Just a thought
not saying he is dirty or not but worth considering the cross over effects
Ski jumping does not require sustainable power like that needed for time-trialing. Strength to weight is of importance, but I suspect not as much as the proper technique. Having said that , we don't exactly hear of a lot ski jumpers transitioning into endurance sports, so it must not be a good fit.Rob27172 said:I don't know about ski jumping in depth but as a second tier athlete who wants to break into the big time he could well have been on steroids and other muscle enhancers anyway prior to the cycling career
if you think about it cycling and ski jumping are similar in one respect - power to weight
power of the quads and calves to launch off the ramp and low weight to fly further is key in ski jumping
so a good grasp of the use of GW1516 and whether or not he is a good responder to these type of drugs would be crucial to a pro team if they were to sign him
Just a thought
not saying he is dirty or not but worth considering the cross over effects
I know he departed with a computer and finished without one, I think that is suspiscious. Now with these accusations he cannot publicise the data which is either unfortunate or convenient for him.About powermeter, actually bike computer, he lost it. Look at this picture and you will see he doesn't have one. Only a holder is left. If you look at this activity from Gesink, you will see how it looks like with powermeter on. It should take all the space between two bars.
You are in conspiracy mode again, I notice. I am sure the pictures themselves will confirm whether the team's claim is correct or not. No UCI needed.sniper said:thanks for that.
sounds like UCI came to the rescue here.
"you guys feed this to the press, and we'll back it up if necessary"
It is not like the federations are there to ensure fair play or prevent cheating! Perish the thought!GJB123 said:You are in conspiracy mode again, I notice. I am sure the pictures themselves will confirm whether the team's claim is correct or not. No UCI needed.sniper said:thanks for that.
sounds like UCI came to the rescue here.
"you guys feed this to the press, and we'll back it up if necessary"
Tienus said:http://www.corriere.it/methode_image/2016/06/20/Sport/Foto%20Sport%20-%20Trattate/RoglicStradeBianchetotal-kVJI-U431901130365823mL-1224x916@Corriere-Web-Sezioni.jpg?v=2016061923
It looks similar to the front wheel and to the Dura Ace wheels that the team is using.
Why would you take a wheel from the neutral car if you are in the peloton?
Not sure where you've lived in the past two decades, but UCI helping to cover up cheating is not a conspiracy. It's the real world.GJB123 said:You are in conspiracy mode again, I notice. I am sure the pictures themselves will confirm whether the team's claim is correct or not. No UCI needed.sniper said:thanks for that.
sounds like UCI came to the rescue here.
"you guys feed this to the press, and we'll back it up if necessary"
nogav1ca said:Who was neutral service provider? If it was Shimano, then it wouldn't be surprising both wheels are similar. Although to me it looks like front wheel has a bit more white than rear. But it's hard to conclude anything from this picture.
interesting.pastronef said:because riders are scattered along the dirt sectors and team car is not always near.
here´s some vittoria service pic http://www.vittoria.com/news/strade-bianchi-2016/
the tyres are the same as LottoNL (vittoria sponsored)
you can see in Roglic pic the stickers are not the same as Shimano.
Vittoria are the tyre sponsorsniper said:interesting.pastronef said:because riders are scattered along the dirt sectors and team car is not always near.
here´s some vittoria service pic http://www.vittoria.com/news/strade-bianchi-2016/
the tyres are the same as LottoNL (vittoria sponsored)
you can see in Roglic pic the stickers are not the same as Shimano.
correct me if wrong, but to me that sounds like something that sets the door wide open for motor fraud.
thanks for expanding. Could be a longshot indeed. But imo at this point you/we should keep all options open. French television provided what they think is photographic evidence.pastronef said:...
Vittoria are the tyre sponsor
Shimano wheels sponsor for LottoNL. Shimano and Vittoria are rival on the market
so you say someone from Vittoria has a motor hub wheel during strade bianche and gives the wheel to Roglic to try it....
long shot
It is conspiracy mode if you immediately assume that the UCI is involved in a cover-up here without any factual basis.sniper said:Not sure where you've lived in the past two decades, but UCI helping to cover up cheating is not a conspiracy. It's the real world.GJB123 said:You are in conspiracy mode again, I notice. I am sure the pictures themselves will confirm whether the team's claim is correct or not. No UCI needed.sniper said:thanks for that.
sounds like UCI came to the rescue here.
"you guys feed this to the press, and we'll back it up if necessary"
Ironically you're the one in conspiracy mode impying the journo's were sloppy throwing unjustified accusations at poor cyclists.
So you're assuming (a) it wasn't their own wheel, and (b) if it wasn't their own wheel then there couldn't be a motor.GJB123 said:if it wasn't their own wheel, there is nothing to buy here.
GJB123 said:You are assuming a lot. Assumption is the mother of all fnck-up's.
if you followed the motorization threads and the history of cycling, you'd realize there is no factual basis to assume the UCI would *not* be involved in a cover up here. They don't want a Primoz motor scandal, believe me.GJB123 said:It is conspiracy mode if you immediately assume that the UCI is involved in a cover-up here without any factual basis.