Primož Roglič

[Eeslliw]

Hello

 

[therealthing]

TJV cooked up something extra special for today.

 

[SafeBet]

The way he kept pushing after the finish line after completely destroying everyone's time in the second lap was quite something.
Did he have another lap in him?

 

[topt]

TJV cooked up something extra special for today.

but I guess Wout forgot to take it

 

[Eeslliw]

but I guess Wout forgot to take it

Maybe they only have 2 doses? So Tom and Roglic got chosen for TT

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

The way he kept pushing after the finish line after completely destroying everyone's time in the second lap was quite something.
Did he have another lap in him?

Yep. Would probably still have the highest km/h average... looked like he was just warming up in the first half.

Very, very impressive.

Needless to say I didn't see this coming. Same for Dumoulin.

 

[Netserk]

Cervelo also the best TT bike?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

but I guess Wout forgot to take it

The RR took too much out of him. Would have been a podium sweep otherwise.

 

[Red Rick]

Cervelo also the best TT bike?

Yeah TJV has been flying in ITTs all year.

 

[King Boonen]

Cervelo also the best TT bike?

Historically yes, but my knowledge isn't really up to date so I couldn't be sure. The bike can certainly have an effect over such a long race though.

 

[saganftw]

Yeah TJV has been flying in ITTs all year.

and next year - roglic,dumoulin,van aert,dennis, vingegaard

honorable mention to jos van emden and tobias foss

 

[proffate]

This has probably been posted here already, but this aero sensor, if it does what it claims, probably does confer a huge advantage, and can plausibly help explain jv's ability to make anyone a tt monster:

How the Velosense Formula 1 probe is helping Jumbo-Visma dominate time trialling - CyclingTips

Jonas Vingegaard rode to third place in the stage five time trial, we speak to the makers of the aero sensor he used in the recon about how this helped his ride.

cyclingtips.com

tldr: real world, real time feedback on aerodynamics of one's position. Can be used to fine tune position in advance or even give live feedback on how well you're holding an aero position.

Obv this is in addition to sauce not instead of it.

 

[Ruklaw]

He was certainly very quick, what really raised eyebrows today was the benefit that he must have got from catching Asgreen and Almeida, it was in the sectors where he gained the most time too.

Even ignoring the televised coverage of the two or three of them riding a team TT you've also got the extra two chase cars to draft and have a little rest as you approach them.

Does look a bit shady when you've put over a minute into the next four best time trialists and they're within mere seconds of each other.

 

[BigCoward]

and next year - roglic,dumoulin,van aert,dennis, vingegaard

Kuss could undo all their power in his turn on a TTT.

 

[Rackham]

Kuss could undo all their power in his turn on a TTT.

In the Tour de France, a team time trial used to take the finishing time for the 5th rider to cross the line. So "hypothetically" speaking if there is going to be a TTT in next year's Tour, I'm going to assume Sepp Kuss won't be a factor "if" Jumbo bring all their heavy hitters mentioned above (i.e. Kuss could get dropped & it wouldn't impact the overall performance as long as the main guys are all together as a five rider team).

But due to Jumbo's insane strength in TT, I'd say the chances of a team time trial next year are remote, especially over a long distance. Prudhomme won't want to give them a head start.

 

[will-10]

He was certainly very quick, what really raised eyebrows today was the benefit that he must have got from catching Asgreen and Almeida, it was in the sectors where he gained the most time too.

Even ignoring the televised coverage of the two or three of them riding a team TT you've also got the extra two chase cars to draft and have a little rest as you approach them.

Does look a bit shady when you've put over a minute into the next four best time trialists and they're within mere seconds of each other.

Sure, it helped, but the race was already won when he caught Asgreen.

 

[JosefK]

Okay, I was curious to see whether Primoz's Clinic thread would get some action after today's Olympics TT performance, and there's some discussion--seems reasonable. This was Roglič's all-time best TT performance, I think. --Dominant also, with a solid minute back to 2nd place. But it doesn't seem to be as unexpected as Pogi's 2020 TDF TT explosion. Or maybe I've just gotten desensitized.

 

[Eeslliw]

Okay, I was curious to see whether Primoz's Clinic thread would get some action after today's Olympics TT performance, and there's some discussion--seems reasonable. This was Roglič's all-time best TT performance, I think. --Dominant also, with a solid minute back to 2nd place. But it doesn't seem to be as unexpected as Pogi's 2020 TDF TT explosion. Or maybe I've just gotten desensitized.

It's not even close to that Pogi's TT imho. That TT was at the end of 3 week race and he obliterated La Planche des Belles Filles climb (with important point that he wasn't known as a TT guy at this time, maybe good against other GC contenders but not to win TDF TT).
Today was longer course and Roglic was simply the only one of the favorites who didn't fade in 2nd lap (all the climbing took a toll on heavier TT guys). And he already has many WT TT wins with 2nd WC TT on his palmares, so hardly unexpected. His unknown effect of injury and bad OG road race made him slip on peopel's top favorite list for TT, but on course like that he would always be among top favorites.

 

[iceblink]

Roglic getting one back on Domoulin for out doping him at Bergen ITT 2017.

I don't understand why people are saying he benefitted from drafting behind slower riders Asgreen and Almeida - he wouldn't have risked a DQ to slow down for a few seconds rest, anyway didn't he pass Asgreen going uphill first? In any case, he was already way ahead of the lesser doped riders by then - it's quite shocking that Slovenian cyclists are doing all this in full public view at the biggest events in the sport, they really are taking the piss.

 

[topt]

Roglic getting one back on Domoulin for out doping him at Bergen ITT 2017.

I don't understand why people are saying he benefitted from drafting behind slower riders Asgreen and Almeida - he wouldn't have risked a DQ to slow down for a few seconds rest, anyway didn't he pass Asgreen going uphill first? In any case, he was already way ahead of the lesser doped riders by then - it's quite shocking that Slovenian cyclists are doing all this in full public view at the biggest events in the sport, they really are taking the piss.

more or less shocking than someone registering on this forum cause she/he was not happy a poster made a Sam Bennet clinic thread ?

 

[lenric]

so cool we're only some days away from the beginning of the vuelta... and this thread coming back to life.

 

[Red Rick]

so cool we're only some days away from the beginning of the vuelta... and this thread coming back to life.

5 stage wins #Fignon84?

 

[Netserk]

5 stage wins #Fignon84?

6 stage wins and lead from start to finish, duh. #Rominger94

 

[lenric]

5 stage wins #Fignon84?

21 stage wins and #Roglic21

 

[gregrowlerson]

Is Roglic' apparent inability to attack from quite a distance out on MTF's (despite being a superior climber and time trialer to most of his rivals) a possible suggestion that he is cleaner than some other riders, past and present?