FoxxyBrown1111 said:Thanks for the link, but i couldn´t find anything life expectancy related.
Look harder?
2.4.3
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:Thanks for the link, but i couldn´t find anything life expectancy related.
therhodeo said:Just a small list posted above.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:2.4. ff. is about testing, detecting, ethics... yet nothing about life expectancy.
2.4.3. Empirical data
Even though the link with doping has not been established, it is known that the life expectancy of those who have take part in the Tour de France is lower than average. A study conducted by Jean-Pierre de Mondenard shows that cyclists between 1960 and 1990 had a higher death rate than that of the general population for the younger age brackets (25-34 years and 34-45 years). The most common cause of death was vascular problems.
Plus, of course, we've got the litany of names: Fausto Coppi (dead at 40), Gastone Nencini (dead at 49), Hugo Koblet (dead at 39), Tom Simpson (dead at 29), Roger Rivière (dead at 40), Louison Bobet (dead at 58), Jacques Anquetil (dead at 53), Luis Ocaña (dead at 48), Marco Pantani (dead at 34), and Laurent Fignon (dead at 50).
fmk_RoI said:The report was referenced for citing De Mondenard's study, which it did as follows:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:Can´t you just link the De Mondenard study? Thanks in advance. The other link isn´t compatible with what you quote...
IndianCyclist said:Coppi died of Malaria. Fignon of cancer and Pantani of overdosing & Simpson of doping. The causes of death are so different that it is difficult to build a correlation. If the comparison is made between cyclists and general population dying of old age then a pattern can be determined otherwise it becomes erroneous.
I do think De Mondenard's 1990s study gave life to the lie that Tour vets die early. [...] Plus, of course, we've got the litany of names
fmk_RoI said:I'm going to suggest you fetch a step-ladder as the point here seems to have gone waaaaay over your head. Based on a few well publicised cases people have a belief that X happens. However, when you look at empirical evidence, you actually find that Y is happening, not X. Lesson? A few well publicised cases don't mean much.
Yes, I posted a list of famous riders who died early (and early is the operative word - in that list I would only call Simpson and maybe Pantani "young"). But how many of those deaths have been definitively linked to doping during their pro career? Not all that many, actually. Probably as many as can definitively be linked to death by suicide and death by "natural" causes.
Is that sports, fame or riches that "causes" that?martinvickers said:I'd go further. I'd say the larger corrolation with suicide is actually more significant, as in a number of other sports such as, oddly, cricket.
Izzy eviel said:How many GT cyclists have lived past 100?
Waiting for the opinion on if all these cyclists dope and they live longer, why is doping any different than holding onto a car, cheating on bike equipment, knocking an opponent off the road or any number of unsporting things done in sport?peterst6906 said:Don't know, but on the issue of mortality rates, it's 100%. There are more dead cyclists than living ones....
Sorry, I'll lock myself away again.
Izzy eviel said:How many GT cyclists have lived past 100?
del1962 said:To do a proper comparison, you would have to compare pro cyclists with somone who takes regular but not excessive exercise though and had a healthy diet.
Izzy eviel said:How many GT cyclists have lived past 100?
I know in cricket, no test player has ever passed 100. It'd be interesting to see a comparison.
Izzy eviel said:I know in cricket, no test player has ever passed 100. It'd be interesting to see a comparison.
fmk_RoI said:But EPO will not "cause" an embolism a decade after your retirement.
martinvickers said:I'd go further. I'd say the larger corrolation with suicide is actually more significant, as in a number of other sports such as, oddly, cricket.