pro gear thread

[ray j willings]

I don't understand why a sci fi team ride Pina's they weigh well over 900grms [ 860grms unpainted frame]
The forks are well over 350grms. They have no aero or advantage in any way over any other bike.
Even the GB team have switched to Cervelo's.

When you consider that most bike manufacturers make a frame in the 700grm area and under EVO ,RCA etc the weight of the Pina's lightest model is way heavy. Carbon has moved forward and Pina IMO need a new template.

Sky Got Jure [ Berk] from the weight weenie site to make some seat-post combo's for them . The UCI would not allow them [ UCI Rules]
Froome was using ax lightness wheels. Crazy light parts to get the weight down. Nice

 

[ray j willings]

Zipp's new wheels . 1810g total (830g front, 980g rear)
• 82mm deep rim by 27.8mm max width, with a 17.25mm internal width and 26.44mm brake track
• 18 front x 24 rear spokes
• Sapim CX-Ray spokes and secure-lock nipple
• new Cognition hubset with Axial Clutch tech (110g front, 225g rear)
• includes ti skewers, Silca valve extenders, wheel bags, brake pads, and a Zipp tube and rim tape
• retail price of $3400/€3000/£2350, with December 2015 availability

 

[ray j willings]

Catlike hats and shoes ,,,I like the shoes

 

[ray j willings]

EBH's bike ,,,,Cav should be on something similar next year

 

[BigMac]

Aero geometry, making even Cervélo create ugly bikes.

 

[ray j willings]

Re:

Aero geometry, making even Cervélo create ugly bikes.

All this aero stuff just does not work in real racing. Bikes look ugly and unbalanced.
The reason EBH use's that bike is because its heavier and stiffer than the other Cervelo's. Shape/ aero has nothing to do with it.
You always get "that guy" =latest aero bike, expensive set of deep section carbon aero wheels , d12. Assos clothes , pockets loaded with hi tech gels and electro drinks in bottle cages and still takes nearly 2 hours to get up alp d huez.
I do feel these bikes are made for suckers unless you have a wind tunnel to ride in

 

[BigMac]

You're just jelly Ray. Hat€r!!1

 

[ray j willings]

Re:

You're just jelly Ray. Hat€r!!1

You know me so well

I wish a few other posters would come over and post a few photo's etc old ,new.
Be good to see some others get involved.

 

[Jspear]

Zipp's new wheels . 1810g total (830g front, 980g rear)
• 82mm deep rim by 27.8mm max width, with a 17.25mm internal width and 26.44mm brake track
• 18 front x 24 rear spokes
• Sapim CX-Ray spokes and secure-lock nipple
• new Cognition hubset with Axial Clutch tech (110g front, 225g rear)
• includes ti skewers, Silca valve extenders, wheel bags, brake pads, and a Zipp tube and rim tape
• retail price of $3400/€3000/£2350, with December 2015 availability

These are SWEET looking wheels. Unfortunately I won't be able to afford them anytime soon.
GCN did a neat little test video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUdC3mrHcc8

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Aero geometry, making even Cervélo create ugly bikes.

All this aero stuff just does not work in real racing.

To be fair fella, that's completely wrong. It does work and it works very well. Whether it's the difference between a win and a loss is impossible to tell though.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Aero geometry, making even Cervélo create ugly bikes.

All this aero stuff just does not work in real racing.

To be fair fella, that's completely wrong. It does work and it works very well. Whether it's the difference between a win and a loss is impossible to tell though.

Hi KB, IMO If your in a race you are not going to be sitting at the front in ideal conditions i.e. a wind tunnel like scenario. There will be cross winds braking, slowing down speeding up. For most part the best riders sit in the peloton behind their teammates getting a easier ride, There would be no benefits at all in that circumstance, The benefit comes from sucking a wheel.
If they really were that good climbers would use them then switch to a climbing bike for the last big climb. They don't. They don't make enough difference.
Those are my thoughts/views. check this out. Take into consideration the points about wheels etc. These can make the difference not just the frame. But it does prove your point to some extent. If your Tony Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz52XW6CMM

 

[ray j willings]

The new S Works

 

[ray j willings]

Cannondale 2016 weights
DA mech

di2

Mavic Ksyrium Pro wheel tire system

Quite nice

 

[42x16ss]

I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

 

[ray j willings]

Re:

I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

My first road bike was a Caad 5. I wish I kept it. it was a beaut.

Can you post a photo of your race bike. Be great to see some indie race bikes on here


cheers Ray J

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Cannondale 2016 weights
DA mech

di2

Mavic Ksyrium Pro wheel tire system

Quite nice

A guy with a 'bike rumor' tshirt wandering around with a hand scale. Pitiful BUT it once again, shows that you can measure only 2 things in a bike shop, weight and price. So if it's expensive and light, why then it MUST be great, right?

Errr, no, some will ride like crap, some will break. In a typical enthusiast 'package', bike, rider, water, kit, etc., that weighs 92,000 or so grams, having one frame weigh 700 grams and another 'fatty' weighing 850 grams means...........nuthin.

 

[ray j willings]

Busted , I think bike choice is always personal. It depends what your looking for in a bike. Lighter frames feel different to heavier frames but also choice of components IMO makes the most difference.
I have Custom Guru Photon Frame " 720grms" could have had it built lighter.
It is incredible. It descends so stable. The carbon and design has really moved on. I also have a trek that is quite light frame is around 200grms heavier and when I'm coming down a mountain it's all over the place compared to the Guru.
I personally like to ride lighter bikes, IMO they react with you, you don't have to fight the bike but obviously a lighter bike has more flex. If you don't like flex then you opt for a heavier lay up/ material.
But because a bike is light does not mean its not impressive to ride.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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They have a patent on asymmetric tubes they use to add strength, rigidity, save weight etc.

The Onda forks are of no benefit whatever they say, guessing they just like the way they look.

Its the F8 Model . The forks are much better on the F8
The simple white frame and the set up makes it look great for a Pina [ I'm not usually a fan]
Don't forget those lightweight wheels. Very classy set up .

Thanks for the info KB and Ray J. Yes the white frame looks really cool. In fact I was looking at Lapierre's selection the other day cause the FDJ white/blue/red frames look so fancy

 

[LaFlorecita]

Errr, no, some will ride like crap, some will break. In a typical enthusiast 'package', bike, rider, water, kit, etc., that weighs 92,000 or so grams, having one frame weigh 700 grams and another 'fatty' weighing 850 grams means...........nuthin.

This... if you want to save weight, lose some pounds... I bet most if not all of us could get a bigger performance gain out of this than light bike. Of course you could do both or if you don't want to bother losing weight it's an easy way out I wouldn't even know what my bike's exact weight is, I just got it because it is Trek (good quality), it looked good, and the bike shop guy offered me a 30% discount

 

[ray j willings]

For you LaFlorecita

I do like white bikes.

also do this white model

 

[ray j willings]

Talking about White Bikes. My friend who I ride with sometimes has a white Isaac.
Not as good as this one though

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Busted , I think bike choice is always personal. It depends what your looking for in a bike. Lighter frames feel different to heavier frames but also choice of components IMO makes the most difference.
I have Custom Guru Photon Frame " 720grms" could have had it built lighter.
It is incredible. It descends so stable. The carbon and design has really moved on. I also have a trek that is quite light frame is around 200grms heavier and when I'm coming down a mountain it's all over the place compared to the Guru.
I personally like to ride lighter bikes, IMO they react with you, you don't have to fight the bike but obviously a lighter bike has more flex. If you don't like flex then you opt for a heavier lay up/ material.
But because a bike is light does not mean its not impressive to ride.

But it isn't stable and 'incredible' riding because it's just light and the Trek isn't 'all over the place' because it weighs
200 grams more.

Not saying a light bike can't be a great ride but it's not just because it's light. I have a Moots and a Merckx MXLeader..the Merckx rides much better than the Moots..guess which is lighter?

 

[StryderHells]

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I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

What's the brand? I'm from Oz and love the boutique/different stuff around

 

[ray j willings]

Busted , I think bike choice is always personal. It depends what your looking for in a bike. Lighter frames feel different to heavier frames but also choice of components IMO makes the most difference.
I have Custom Guru Photon Frame " 720grms" could have had it built lighter.
It is incredible. It descends so stable. The carbon and design has really moved on. I also have a trek that is quite light frame is around 200grms heavier and when I'm coming down a mountain it's all over the place compared to the Guru.
I personally like to ride lighter bikes, IMO they react with you, you don't have to fight the bike but obviously a lighter bike has more flex. If you don't like flex then you opt for a heavier lay up/ material.
But because a bike is light does not mean its not impressive to ride.

But it isn't stable and 'incredible' riding because it's just light and the Trek isn't 'all over the place' because it weighs
200 grams more.

Not saying a light bike can't be a great ride but it's not just because it's light. I have a Moots and a Merckx MXLeader..the Merckx rides much better than the Moots..guess which is lighter?

I agree , that's was what I was trying to say . My lighter bike handles better due to the design the carbon etc.
The Trek is pretty good actually, its just the Guru is without doubt the best bike I have ever rode.
Not been on anything better.

 

[ray j willings]

Gokiso stuff. For the hubs, we covered their technology a couple years ago in great detail and with videos, but the short of it is that the ribs suspend the spoke flanges and allow for micro movements. Internally, a slotted sleeve acts like a leaf spring to add a tiny bit more movement, all while keeping the hub adequately stiff.
video of these amazing hubs in action http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/03/05/nahbs-2013-gokisos-amazing-suspension-bicycle-hubs/