Pulling a Wiggins

[ebandit]

stooopid

It was a fairly impressive knock out punch if you ask me. Made Wiggins look completely stupid.

stooopid tour winner............you really think wiggo is listening out for what floyd states?

more of an air shot...........lance got the haymaker

Mark L

 

[Digger]

I have won as many as Floyd and Lance put together

let's wait for the doping authorities to do their job - that has worked out swimmingly well so far.
So using your logic you still felt lance was clean right up until the day of the reasoned decision...must not think for myself, must not think for myself.

Amazing that over a hundred years, there has been three clean winners in a row...what are the odds...in which case Pat should have been kept on, as he has clearly eradicated doping!

 

[Digger]

stooopid tour winner............you really think wiggo is listening out for what floyd states?

more of an air shot...........lance got the haymaker

Mark L

considering wiggins was crying like a little baby half way through his tour 'win'..yes.

 

[thehog]

stooopid tour winner............you really think wiggo is listening out for what floyd states?

more of an air shot...........lance got the haymaker

Mark L

You know, I'm really not sure.

But Wiggins doesn't have a thick skin and deep down probably knows himself he won the Tour on a flat course and wasn't the strongest.

And we all know that the 2012 was very poor from a spectacle point of view. Boring in fact. And Froome did look strong. Super strong.

And most likely there was some doping going on.

So, yes, to answer your question, I think Wiggins is embarrassed.

 

[ebandit]

same ol' hoggy

You know, I'm really not sure.

But Wiggins doesn't have a thick skin and deep down probably knows himself he won the Tour on a flat course and wasn't the strongest.

And we all know that the 2012 was very poor from a spectacle point of view. Boring in fact. And Froome did look strong. Super strong.

And most likely there was some doping going on.

So, yes, to answer your question, I think Wiggins is embarrassed.

there was no question hoggy.........again you misrepresent

only statement..........of course we know that wiggo only won because of a miraculous alignment of all the galaxies in the universe but he still WON

floyd dropped a mere hint..............we need the truth

Mark L

 

[ebandit]

tragic

considering wiggins was crying like a little baby half way through his tour 'win'..yes.

fans love a tragedy....................with happy ending..............nice to see you smiling now

Mark L

 

[thehog]

there was no question hoggy.........again you misrepresent

only statement..........of course we know that wiggo only won because of a miraculous alignment of all the galaxies in the universe but he still WON

floyd dropped a mere hint..............we need the truth

Mark L

Well there is question, otherwise you wouldn't be here answering the question.

The 2012 Tour speaks for itself. You know that.

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[Digger]

You know, I'm really not sure.

But Wiggins doesn't have a thick skin and deep down probably knows himself he won the Tour on a flat course and wasn't the strongest.

And we all know that the 2012 was very poor from a spectacle point of view. Boring in fact. And Froome did look strong. Super strong.

And most likely there was some doping going on.

So, yes, to answer your question, I think Wiggins is embarrassed.

Remember jv saying it was embarrassing. He tweeted that point abc also said sky should just let froome go.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I don't think it matters Wiggins wasn't the strongest, and you have the qualify that by saying strongest climber, because his TTing was far better than Froome's. He got leadership by dint of seniority, and Froome had to pay his dues by supporting him. It's not the first time it has happened in cycling and it won't be last.

Curious that the people that think Wiggins doped to his 2012 win are now underplaying his strength in that tour when they've spent that last couple of years saying the opposite to score a few point in the ongoing squabble in the clinic. Particularly because Landis has had a pop at him. You lot aren't very consistent

 

[ebandit]

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Well there is question, otherwise you wouldn't be here answering the question.

The 2012 Tour speaks for itself. You know that.

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in our life we are confronted by questions daily

however here I replied stating there was no question and chose to add to what I had already said

Mark L

 

[thehog]

in our life we are confronted by questions daily

however here I replied stating there was no question and chose to add to what I had already said

Mark L

Safe to say I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Sorry but you make little sense. Happy to discuss further but would prefer if you could write in ordered sentences with meaning.

 

[martinvickers]

I don't think it matters Wiggins wasn't the strongest, and you have the qualify that by saying strongest climber, because his TTing was far better than Froome's. He got leadership by dint of seniority, and Froome had to pay his dues by supporting him. It's not the first time it has happened in cycling and it won't be last.

Curious that the people that think Wiggins doped to his 2012 win are now underplaying his strength in that tour when they've spent that last couple of years saying the opposite to score a few point in the ongoing squabble in the clinic. Particularly because Landis has had a pop at him. You lot aren't very consistent

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today."

or maybe...

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."

 

[thehog]

Remember jv saying it was embarrassing. He tweeted that point abc also said sky should just let froome go.

Wiggins reminds me of Steven Bradbury. Who? Exactly.

He was an Australian speed skater at the 2002 winter games.

In the semi final he was coming last but made the final because two athletes were disqualified.

In the final he was again coming last by some distance.

Then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAADWfJO2qM&sns=em

Worth watching. Australia had never won a gold medal at the Winter Olympics to this point. The speed skating final looks a lot like the 2012 Tour de France.

Wiggins reminds me a lot of this guy. Bradbury became a hero in Australia for about 2 years then was forgotten.

Think he sings karaoke gigs these days.

 

[martinvickers]

Wiggins reminds me of Steven Bradbury. Who? Exactly.

He was an Australian speed skater at the 2002 winter games.

In the semi final he was coming last but made the final because two athletes were disqualified.

In the final he was again coming last by some distance.

Then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAADWfJO2qM&sns=em

Worth watching. Australia had never won a gold medal at the Winter Olympics to this point. The speed skating final looks a lot like the 2012 Tour de France.

Wiggins reminds me a lot of this guy. Bradbury became a hero in Australia for about 2 years then was forgotten.

Think he sings karaoke gigs these days.

Very drole, Hog.

With 4 Olympic golds, I think Wiggins was probably ahead of Bradbury even without the Tour.

On Bradbury, though, I would say this...

You know what they call the luckiest, least talented, athlete ever to win the Olympic Gold?

The champion. Till he pings, anyway. (that's a joke by the way)

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Wiggins certainly wins the "Who have more stuff" Contest but the $hit talking contest goes to Floyd

On balance, I think that's a "no".

Wiggo has a small part in "The Archers" radio show this week (longest running "soap" in the UK). I'll bet Floyd can't talk his way into anything that good and Chris Froome certainly won't. Invitations to take part are so sought after that you usually need to be a senior member of the Royal Family to get one. Even David Beckham has never been on The Archers.

Wiggo is "The Man" irrespective of what happens on a bike or what cheating johnny foreigner cyclists say about him.

 

[thehog]

Very drole, Hog.

With 4 Olympic golds, I think Wiggins was probably ahead of Bradbury even without the Tour.

On Bradbury, though, I would say this...

You know what they call the luckiest, least talented, athlete ever to win the Olympic Gold?

The champion.

But you love my drole!

Let the record books show Wiggins as it does Oscar Pereiro. But you know what? The records books never tell the full story.

The 1988 Olympic 100m final with what? 8 Jamaican descendants?

Won by Johnson, gold medal, champion. Medal defaulted to Lewis. Then the next few guys, champions? Hardly.

The real story is not always in the record books.

 

[martinvickers]

But you love my drole!

That I do, hogster, that I do

Let the record books show Wiggins as it does Oscar Pereiro. But you know what? The records books never tell the full story.

The 1988 Olympic 100m final with what? 8 Jamaican descendants?

Won by Johnson, gold medal, champion. Medal defaulted to Lewis. Then the next few guys, champions? Hardly.

The real story is not always in the record books.

I don't disagree; one can hope that time will tell. Think of the list - Riis, Ullrich, Pantani, Armstrong, Landis, Contador. None of them 'got away with it', in the end. Most people who really follow the sport know about Indurain too, though he got off lightish. But they know.

It took a decade to get 14 yrs to get LA - nothing like as long to get Landis and contador. Maybe we're getting better at it.

Sastre, Evans, Wiggins, Froome, to an extent Schleck, we'll just have to wait and see.

Patience is a virtue.

 

[Benotti69]

On balance, I think that's a "no".

Wiggo has a small part in "The Archers" radio show this week (longest running "soap" in the UK). I'll bet Floyd can't talk his way into anything that good and Chris Froome certainly won't. Invitations to take part are so sought after that you usually need to be a senior member of the Royal Family to get one. Even David Beckham has never been on The Archers.

Wiggo is "The Man" irrespective of what happens on a bike or what cheating johnny foreigner cyclists say about him.

In England and to some in Norn Iron.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

It took a decade to get 14 yrs to get LA - nothing like as long to get Landis and contador. Maybe we're getting better at it.

Pantani, Lance, Floyd and Berto all failed tests of one sort or another during victorious competition. (I think Heras did as well.) The powers that be chose to overlook Lance's failure, though. This suggests that if you avoid testing positive at the time, then it takes something out of the ordinary to bring you down. So we might be getting better at busting cheating GT winners, but there's little to suggest that Wiggo is going to go down for anything relating to his victorious period. (Unless Froome/Rogers/etc goes "Full ***" as Hog might say, and tells everything.)

 

[the sceptic]

On balance, I think that's a "no".

Wiggo has a small part in "The Archers" radio show this week (longest running "soap" in the UK). I'll bet Floyd can't talk his way into anything that good and Chris Froome certainly won't. Invitations to take part are so sought after that you usually need to be a senior member of the Royal Family to get one. Even David Beckham has never been on The Archers.

Wiggo is "The Man" irrespective of what happens on a bike or what cheating johnny foreigner cyclists say about him.

Wiggins also wins the "best donkey-racehorse-donkey transformation ever" award.

Do you know any better? I cant think of any.

 

[thehog]

That I do, hogster, that I do



I don't disagree; one can hope that time will tell. Think of the list - Riis, Ullrich, Pantani, Armstrong, Landis, Contador. None of them 'got away with it', in the end. Most people who really follow the sport know about Indurain too, though he got off lightish. But they know.

It took a decade to get 14 yrs to get LA - nothing like as long to get Landis and contador. Maybe we're getting better at it.

Sastre, Evans, Wiggins, Froome, to an extent Schleck, we'll just have to wait and see.

Patience is a virtue.

Well there is the ability to just "know" rather than wait.

You'd be well aware the anti-doping and results systems don't true up reality based on practical application. There's a large amount of politics involved.

My take is Wiggins keeps his jersey but not his sanity. Just opinion. He really is uncomfortable with winning that Tour. It was always like it was a poison to him.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Until you want to say that about someone else, because it suits your agenda at the time

 

[the sceptic]

Well there is the ability to just "know" rather than wait.

You'd be well aware the anti-doping and results systems don't true up reality based on practical application. There's a large amount of politics involved.

My take is Wiggins keeps his jersey but not his sanity. Just opinion. He really is uncomfortable with winning that Tour. It was always like it was a poison to him.

I agree, Wiggins seems quite fragile.

And he knows that his tour win was the biggest fraud of the last 20 years.

The Floyd quote sums it up well. They even had to put his teammate on a leash to avoid beating him. Im sure this must drive him mad, especially when Froome is busy winning the tour for the next 5+ years.

 

[thehog]

Wiggins also wins the "best donkey-racehorse-donkey transformation ever" award.

Do you know any better? I cant think of any.

I think in this case Wiggins is Pumpkin

There is a wide variety of animals that are used to keep excitable racehorses calm, including goats, sheep, donkeys, burros, cats, and sometimes, dogs. These animals often live in or near the stall of the horse they are companions to, and are a common sight in the backstretch areas of many tracks. Small ponies are also used as companions for racehorses, too- the great racehorse Seabiscuit had such a companion. In the "Biscuit's" case, his companion was a grade pony named Pumpkin. Horses are gregarious, social animals. Nature never intended for them to lead solitary lives, and when they are forced to do this by humans, they frequently develop health or behavior problems as a result. Having a non-racing companion around helps horses in heavy training relax, and allows them to do things like eat and digest their food properly. It also helps them sleep. Horses are like humans in the sense that they too need a certain amount of emotional security before they can really relax and let their guards down enough to sleep. Nature has programmed them to stay on their feet at all times, but especially at night, because of the increased risk of predators during those hours. When we confine horses in stalls, we take away the danger of this, but the horses don't really understand that. All they understand is that they can't move about freely- and this in turn can create stress. Having the comfort of another living thing around helps to defuse that stress.

There are also countless stories in literature about horses that had animal companions of one kind or another. With the Black Stallion, it was an old gelding named Napoleon.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Wiggins reminds me of Steven Bradbury. Who? Exactly.

He was an Australian speed skater at the 2002 winter games.

In the semi final he was coming last but made the final because two athletes were disqualified.

In the final he was again coming last by some distance.

Then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAADWfJO2qM&sns=em

Worth watching. Australia had never won a gold medal at the Winter Olympics to this point. The speed skating final looks a lot like the 2012 Tour de France.

Wiggins reminds me a lot of this guy. Bradbury became a hero in Australia for about 2 years then was forgotten.

Think he sings karaoke gigs these days.

I love that Bradbury story. Proves you've got to be in it to win it!

But seriously, I've been given a good kicking several times for suggesting that one of the reasons for Wiggo's success in 2012 was the sheer lack of opposition he faced.

The last three Tour winners were either losing to their own team mate, out injured or banned and the other likely GT contenders other than Froome and Nibs had done the Giro and self-selected themselves out of contention. And both Froome and Nibs would have needed an act of God in the mountains to offset their TT losses. Whenever I've made the suggestion, the usual suspects have piled in to assure me that the opposition was not weak and only looked so because of Sky's dominance.

So there is a certain inconsistency here to be suggesting now that Wiggo did indeed benefit from an unduly favourable set of circumstances.

And just on a point of logic, Wiggo's wins in 2012 were nothing like Bradbury's as they all followed a predictable script - hold ground in the hills and kick a*se in the ITTs. There's no logical equivalent to rivals falling by the wayside during competition.