Pulling a Wiggins

[Dear Wiggo]

look who rode for rabobank back in 2001

http://www.sportuitslagen.org/wielrennen-schaal-sels-uitslagen-2001-epr26441.html

Perfect. Linda Mcartney folded very early that year, and Wiggo's team is not listed on any of the results on cqranking.com

Very helpful.

 

[blackcat]

I was at that race. Wiggo was wearing sandshoes and I immediately saw his grand tour winning potential.

stop

laughing


cant stop

laffin

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Considering that Brad signed a contract within
the month with another future Knight (or more
correctly, a Chevalier de la Legion d'Honneur)
perhaps these results are more accurate, my
friends:http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/sep01/schaals01.shtml

De Jongh riding for Rabo that year?

How does Wiggo ride in the pro peloton as a non-team rider?

 

[blackcat]

Perfect. Linda Mcartney folded very early that year, and Wiggo's team is not listed on any of the results on cqranking.com

Very helpful.

Spencer Smith had massive quads tho. Like Tom Platz at Venice Muscle Beach but in a triathlon body, he could not find a pair of pants that fit his quads.

And it was good for Dave McKenzie to get on a omnivore diet, he was lacking in B-12. He specified at iTeam Nova, only omnivores need to apply.

 

[blackcat]

De Jongh riding for Rabo that year?

How does Wiggo ride in the pro peloton as a non-team rider?

cookson
cooking books

 

[bobbins]

cookson
cooking books

Did he ride as a stagiere?

 

[sniper]

Perfect. Linda Mcartney folded very early that year, and Wiggo's team is not listed on any of the results on cqranking.com

Very helpful.

wiggins won fleche du sud that year.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

wiggins won fleche du sud that year.

Looking at those race's entry lists, it appears he rode anything that allowed national teams. So I'm doubting the Rabo connection unless something else solid is revealed.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

What's with Wiggo pulling out of Mallorca Challenge?

Illness
Idleness
Clinic-ness?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-out-of-challenge-mallorca-with-qatar-debut-pencilled-in

 

[thehog]

What's with Wiggo pulling out of Mallorca Challenge?

Illness
Idleness
Clinic-ness?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-out-of-challenge-mallorca-with-qatar-debut-pencilled-in

Zorzoli has been removed and he can't get a TUE?

 

[the sceptic]

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng 10h10 hours ago

Biggo: Wiggins at 80kg, added 8kg since Ponferrada as he works on explosive power for Paris-Roubaix, via @baxterophobe in L'Equipe

So first Wiggo lost weight to increase power, but now he has to gain weight to do the same

 

[Catwhoorg]

So first Wiggo lost weight to increase power, but now he has to gain weight to do the same

Different types of power.
Sustained power/weight for climbing up mountains
Versus explosive shorter effort.


but I have a feeling you knew this.

 

[the sceptic]

Different types of power.
Sustained power/weight for climbing up mountains
Versus explosive shorter effort.


but I have a feeling you knew this.

what I find funny is that Wiggins can easily lose and gain weight depending on what he wants to do. Now he wants to win Roubaix, so what could be more natural than turning into Cancellara?

 

[Catwhoorg]

what I find funny is that Wiggins can easily lose and gain weight depending on what he wants to do. Now he wants to win Roubaix, so what could be more natural than turning into Cancellara?

I agree that its odd. He does seem to slim down (and bulk up if you can call any classics rider bulky) much easier than most folk. (even other pro riders)


I have my suspicions, shared here before, that he uses stimulants and/or cortisone OOC to slim down so fast. Not against the WADA code, but not what people expect from a 'clean team' either.

There is the caveat that I never truly trust any riders comments about their weight or power. So and so may say he has lost 10 pounds, when he has lost 4-5, its all part of the psychological games they play with each other.

 

[blackcat]

I agree that its odd. He does seem to slim down (and bulk up if you can call any classics rider bulky) much easier than most folk. (even other pro riders)


I have my suspicions, shared here before, that he uses stimulants and/or cortisone OOC to slim down so fast. Not against the WADA code, but not what people expect from a 'clean team' either.

There is the caveat that I never truly trust any riders comments about their weight or power. So and so may say he has lost 10 pounds, when he has lost 4-5, its all part of the psychological games they play with each other.

they are peptides. lipotropin for one.

then to reverse the weight loss, diet and roids. or cjc peptide

 

[Catwhoorg]

To me, Lipotropin would be implicitly (it is not explicitly) included under S2.5, but it wouldn't take much of a legal argument to make a case that it fell outside of some clumsy wording in that section.

 

[Catwhoorg]

As a general comment WADA clearly is struggling to keep ahead of rapid developments in the fields of peptides

 

[Netserk]

Different types of power.
Sustained power/weight for climbing up mountains
Versus explosive shorter effort.


but I have a feeling you knew this.

Didn't he also increase absolute power from 2007/2009 to 2012 while also losing weight? He certainly TTed better than ever.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Did he ?

He said he did, that's for sure (but see above caveat)

Could adjustments in his lactate threshold have pushed his TT'ing to a higher level, whilst his peak power was lower ? Would that have been enough to show the improved TTing at the longer distances ?

Sort of like the difference between a 5K runner and a marathon runner ?

I simply don't know.

I do think his technique and positioning was just a little more refined in 2012 than in 2008, but only marginally so, couple of watts at most.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Right. Adjusted his lactate threshold. Kind of like adjusting your saddle height. Easy stuff; only takes a few minutes.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

John Swanson

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Did he ?

He said he did, that's for sure (but see above caveat)

Could adjustments in his lactate threshold have pushed his TT'ing to a higher level, whilst his peak power was lower ? Would that have been enough to show the improved TTing at the longer distances ?

Sort of like the difference between a 5K runner and a marathon runner ?

I simply don't know.

I do think his technique and positioning was just a little more refined in 2012 than in 2008, but only marginally so, couple of watts at most.

Its all in the marginal gains not the science.

 

[D-Queued]

Right. Adjusted his lactate threshold. Kind of like adjusting your saddle height. Easy stuff; only takes a few minutes.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

John Swanson

Exactly.

Sometimes he adjusts it by losing weight. In a few minutes.

Sometimes he adjusts it by gaining weight. In a few minutes.

All this gain/lose weight crap sounds like Lance.

But, that field has already been plowed.

Dave.

 

[TheSpud]

I agree that its odd. He does seem to slim down (and bulk up if you can call any classics rider bulky) much easier than most folk. (even other pro riders)


I have my suspicions, shared here before, that he uses stimulants and/or cortisone OOC to slim down so fast. Not against the WADA code, but not what people expect from a 'clean team' either.

There is the caveat that I never truly trust any riders comments about their weight or power. So and so may say he has lost 10 pounds, when he has lost 4-5, its all part of the psychological games they play with each other.

Not against the WADA code means ok in some peoples eyes. In my view this is SKYs position. Whether you agree or not, they can claim to be clean within the letter of the law. Maybe not the spirit, but certainly the letter, which of course does open up a whole number of discussions - many of which are very much underway (or even concluded).

 

[the sceptic]

Not against the WADA code means ok in some peoples eyes. In my view this is SKYs position. Whether you agree or not, they can claim to be clean within the letter of the law. Maybe not the spirit, but certainly the letter, which of course does open up a whole number of discussions - many of which are very much underway (or even concluded).

Is EPO and AICAR within the WADA code as well Martin?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Not against the WADA code means ok in some peoples eyes. In my view this is SKYs position. Whether you agree or not, they can claim to be clean within the letter of the law. Maybe not the spirit, but certainly the letter, which of course does open up a whole number of discussions - many of which are very much underway (or even concluded).

It means okay to many at the highest levels of the sport. No controversy, please! Add the assistance of the UCI so a favored rider is never sanctioned, and you have the current state of cycling.