Pulling a Wiggins

[Catwhoorg]

I see this as the nub of a lot of debates. I think, if I am correct, that Sky were quite open about 'pushing the rules to the limit'. So, that could be Tramadol. That could also quite easily be Cortisone OOC - again not against the rules. Does that make them dirty / dopers? Depends on your viewpoint.

For me - the rules are the starting point, and if they (or anyone) are, lets say, just doing Cortisone OOC then yes they are within the rules. Does it make it right? That is a whole can of worms that is all about cycling and not just Sky.

Tramadol is something they gone on record have said they haven't used in the last 3-4 years. (I think in the first year only which correlates with what Barry said).

"Rules" and "right" - yep thats the essence.


Publicly Sky certainly try to project the 'right' but I have little doubt its not just 'rules' but 'letter of the the rules not the spirit'

 

[sniper]

I see this as the nub of a lot of debates. I think, if I am correct, that Sky were quite open about 'pushing the rules to the limit'. So, that could be Tramadol. That could also quite easily be Cortisone OOC - again not against the rules. Does that make them dirty / dopers? Depends on your viewpoint.

For me - the rules are the starting point, and if they (or anyone) are, lets say, just doing Cortisone OOC then yes they are within the rules. Does it make it right? That is a whole can of worms that is all about cycling and not just Sky.

i dont see many here who claim sky are dopers just because they use tramadol and ooc cortisone. So no, it's not the nub of many debates.

 

[TheSpud]

You mean like that awesome very mature Nutella thread yo tried to start that got binned by the mods?

Why bother contributing indeed!

It was moved actually (to a more appropriate place in my view) - you do seem to like to twist the facts don't you.

 

[TheSpud]

i dont see many here who claim sky are dopers just because they use tramadol and ooc cortisone. So no, it's not the nub of many debates.

Let me rephrase what I meant there - I still see it being used in many debates. But yes I agree with you that most / many posters are claiming far more than that.

 

[sniper]

Let me rephrase what I meant there - I still see it being used in many debates. But yes I agree with you that most / many posters are claiming far more than that.

of course they are.
if Sky are doing only tramadol and ooc cortisone, certain things become very difficult to explain, such as
- the hiring of Lienders,
- the Sky train in '12 and '13,
- the transformations of Wiggins and Froome
- Froome's bilharzia
- Wiggins' sudden Lance love
- the ousting of Kimmage
- David Walsh' comedy gold collection

if one assumes Sky are not doing anything against the WADA code, those things suddenly become highly mysterious and anomalous.

 

[thehog]

It was moved actually (to a more appropriate place in my view) - you do seem to like to twist the facts don't you.

A thread on world Nutella day. Very highbrow

Fact twisting is left to Sky, Froome and Horse steroids.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

OT: Milliband needs to learn to shut up, after all the billionaire John Mills gave shares in his company direct to the Labour party rather than sell them and give the cash as it was "more tax efficient". Hypocrites through and through.

OT again: And there was some "tax efficiency" manouvres involved in the sale of Miliband senior's house if I remember correctly. Nothing that any right normal person wouldn't do but hypocrisy indeed if you're making a political point about tax dodging, legal or otherwise. There was also the sale of HMRC's building to a tax efficient structure in the Cayman Islands under the last Labour government and the cheer-leader in chief Guardian Media Group that also dabbles in group structures involving tax havens.

It's obviously political posturing. It would be funny if the amounts of dosh involved weren't so small. Unfortunately, there are plenty of potential Labour voters who think that the deficit can be plugged simply by closing tax loopholes and targeting "the rich" when there's a serious debate that should be taking place about how the chuff the UK is going to fund pensions and health care for the growing army of pensioners. Some serious taxes are going to be needed from somewhere and you can't raise a lot of tax without hitting a lot of people.

 

[TheSpud]

OT again: And there was some "tax efficiency" manouvres involved in the sale of Miliband senior's house if I remember correctly. Nothing that any right normal person wouldn't do but hypocrisy indeed if you're making a political point about tax dodging, legal or otherwise. There was also the sale of HMRC's building to a tax efficient structure in the Cayman Islands under the last Labour government and the cheer-leader in chief Guardian Media Group that also dabbles in group structures involving tax havens.

It's obviously political posturing. It would be funny if the amounts of dosh involved weren't so small. Unfortunately, there are plenty of potential Labour voters who think that the deficit can be plugged simply by closing tax loopholes and targeting "the rich" when there's a serious debate that should be taking place about how the chuff the UK is going to fund pensions and health care for the growing army of pensioners. Some serious taxes are going to be needed from somewhere and you can't raise a lot of tax without hitting a lot of people.

What a breath of fresh air that post is.

 

[TheSpud]

A thread on world Nutella day. Very highbrow

Fact twisting is left to Sky, Froome and Horse steroids.

Sorry, but did you ever post the link that proved Sky funded JTLs defence? Something you stated on more than one occasion was a fact ...

 

[Ventoux Boar]

What a breath of fresh air that post is.

Pity it's typical Daily Mail pish. Milliband paid 40% CGT on sale:

"... Ed paid 40% capital gains tax when the house was sold in 2004/05. It can't be tax avoidance if no tax was avoided."

"Everybody avoids tax" is the new "we're all in it together", or "level playing field" - if you have a private wealth manager with access to offshore accounts. No surprise to find ridiculous distortions in the Clinic.

 

[Benotti69]

Bot back slapping...............

 

[TheSpud]

Pity it's typical Daily Mail pish. Milliband paid 40% CGT on sale:



"Everybody avoids tax" is the new "we're all in it together", or "level playing field" - if you have a private wealth manager with access to offshore accounts. No surprise to find ridiculous distortions in the Clinic.

Ifthe house in question is his fathers then indeed tax was avoided - they varied his fathers will to leave the house to Ed and David as well as his Mum, thus utilising the nil rate band for IHT. This then reduces the tax paid in the future because when his mum dies and she passes the rest of the house to the kids she also has a nil rate band that she can utilise.

The fact the CGT was paid on the subsequent sale is irrelevant since he was selling a house that wasnt his main residence - this would have happened regardless of when it was inherited (assuming a large enough gain).

 

[Benotti69]

Why are posters allowed to post political and tax evasion stuff in the clinic?

Is this a deliberate attempt by sky fans to derail this thread?

 

[thehog]

Why are posters allowed to post political and tax evasion stuff in the clinic?

Is this a deliberate attempt by sky fans to derail this thread?

Evasion from dope testers, tax evasion. All in a day's work for Sky/Murdoch

 

[TheSpud]

Why are posters allowed to post political and tax evasion stuff in the clinic?

Is this a deliberate attempt by sky fans to derail this thread?

No attempt to distract / detail, just an OT that has gone on for a few posts, I'm happy for it to be moved to The Cafe or whatever.

 

[thehog]

Sorry, but did you ever post the link that proved Sky funded JTLs defence? Something you stated on more than one occasion was a fact ...

Or when you told us that Wiggins was going to sue Landis. LOL! Watch this space.

Or was that Martin? You are funny.

 

[thehog]

No attempt to distract / detail, just an OT that has gone on for a few posts, I'm happy for it to be moved to The Cafe or whatever.

Can move it next to your Nutella thread

 

[TheSpud]

Can move it next to your Nutella thread

As that is The Cafe then it would be most appropriate.

Got those JTL links yet?

 

[TheSpud]

Or when you told us that Wiggins was going to sue Landis. LOL! Watch this space.

Or was that Martin? You are funny.

Never said Wiggins was going to sue Landis, in fact not sure I've even heard that story.

 

[thehog]

Never said Wiggins was going to sue Landis, in fact not sure I've even heard that story.

Thanks Martin.

 

[The Hitch]

Why are posters allowed to post political and tax evasion stuff in the clinic?

Is this a deliberate attempt by sky fans to derail this thread?

Its so that they/he can raise the post count of the thread some more and then complain the forum is only posting about sky

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Pity it's typical Daily Mail pish. Milliband paid 40% CGT on sale:



"Everybody avoids tax" is the new "we're all in it together", or "level playing field" - if you have a private wealth manager with access to offshore accounts. No surprise to find ridiculous distortions in the Clinic.

There was a deed of variation to retrospectively change Miliband Senior's will to ensure no inheritance tax was payable when his wife died. All perfectly legal, but still reducing the amount of tax paid.

 

[The Hitch]

of course they are.
if Sky are doing only tramadol and ooc cortisone, certain things become very difficult to explain, such as
- the hiring of Lienders,
- the Sky train in '12 and '13,
- the transformations of Wiggins and Froome
- Froome's bilharzia
- Wiggins' sudden Lance love
- the ousting of Kimmage
- David Walsh' comedy gold collection

if one assumes Sky are not doing anything against the WADA code, those things suddenly become highly mysterious and anomalous.

The magical weight loss coupled with gaining of power output that could only have come from certain performance drugs and occured at the very same time that these performance enhancing drugs hit the professional scene.

hmmm.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Ifthe house in question is his fathers then indeed tax was avoided - they varied his fathers will to leave the house to Ed and David as well as his Mum, thus utilising the nil rate band for IHT. This then reduces the tax paid in the future because when his mum dies and she passes the rest of the house to the kids she also has a nil rate band that she can utilise.

The fact the CGT was paid on the subsequent sale is irrelevant since he was selling a house that wasnt his main residence - this would have happened regardless of when it was inherited (assuming a large enough gain).

PHILADELPHIA?A report released Wednesday by economists at the University of Pennsylvania confirmed that the already massive gap between the world?s ultra-rich and reality is now at historic levels and only continues growing wider each year.

The notion that everybody avoids taxes in the same way as multinational corporations, Mitt Romney's mates, and Tory donors is a despicable lie. Fiddle your benefits to score an upgrade to your Sky subscription and you're banged-up, with a tasty perp-walk in the local paper. Bung enough to the Tories, hide ?millions offshore, and get a peerage.

Perhaps you mistook this for your local golf club forum?

 

[TheSpud]

The magical weight loss coupled with gaining of power output that could only have come from certain performance drugs and occured at the very same time that these performance enhancing drugs hit the professional scene.

hmmm.

Thats a fair point Hitch - do you / or anyone else have links to articles that explain why its not possible to lose weight and maintain / gain power? It seems logical, just never managed to find any useful articles. Similarly if anyone has links to articles that say it is possible then i'd like to see those too (and this isn't about demanding evidence, proof, blah, etc. I just think it would be an interesting read).