Pulling a Wiggins

[bobbins]

Most likely to ever get rumbled - Wiggins or Froome?

Evidently the Daily Telegraph tasked Brendan Gallagher with digging dirt on the team but he refused and was sacked.

Wiggins will crumble first and Froome will be collateral.

 

[sniper]

funny, in the short french docu on aicar (with Boyer interview) i posted earlier they say (translation from this website):

This is the new EPO, the big open secret. Says that sports are selling us the hype about no fat, gluten free diets in training but AICAR is the reality of that.

Wiggins in 2009:

Working with the nutritionist, Nigel Mitchell, Wiggins began to lose weight at the start of the year. He went gluten free in January and February, stopped having sugar in his coffee, would do training rides without having breakfast to get his metabolism to work differently, and he?d do longer training rides.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-the-transformation-64032#SB3i7deQLBGECiWR.99

 

[sniper]

[/posted by Digger/ re: Nigel Mitchell]

Nigel Mitchell, has that guy been discussed here at all?
He's credited for Wiggins' 2009 weight loss (see my previous post) as well as for Kennaugh's and (if I read it correctly) for Froome's weight loss:

On dirait bien que Froome qui, jeune, avait pourtant tendance ? l'embonpoint, a trouv? le parfait r?gime pour concilier l?g?ret? et puissance. Enfin, c'est surtout Nigel Mitchell, le nutritionniste en chef de la Sky, qui a concoct? la recette qui a notamment permis ? Peter Kennaugh de s'all?ger de cinq kilos entre la pr?paration du Tour et les Pyr?n?es. Sur son compte Twitter, celui qui s'est ?galement occup? de l'?quipe britannique de cyclisme aux derniers JO, initie les coureurs aux joies du Thermomix, cuisine une pur?e de banane ? la m?re et ? la grenade, ou immortalise ses coureurs en train de pr?parer un g?teau au riz...

http://www.metronews.fr/sport/tour-...tourne-christopher-froome/mmgo!GhiPGeHl6urCY/
lovely nice line to that article, calling BS on Sky's/Mitchell's nutritional talk:

Comme ses co?quipiers de la Sky, Christopher Froome a remplac? le sucre par le sirop d'Agave et ing?re quotidiennement deux grammes d'huile de poisson sup?rieure "? l'effet anti-inflammatoire et qui favorise la synth?se des prot?ines"... et donc, comme nous l'indique le site bien nomm? bodybuilding.com : la prise de masse musculaire.

Les Sky "ne boivent jamais d'eau claire", r?v?le Mitchell dans le quotidien britannique. Ils se d?salt?rent plut?t avec du jus de cerise ou d'ananas et "le chef leur pr?pare tous les jours un jus de l?gumes diff?rents." L'Aicar, ce produit ind?tectable, br?leur de graisses et catalyseur de force, ne figure pas au menu.

 

[SundayRider]

Thanks - had not seen that. Twiggo. Agree, it is incredibly difficult for a long term pro to do any step changes, even if you went for binges in the boozer and had as little self control as Sir Bradley often exhibits. This clip nails him.

Sadly, I don't think we are going to be as lucky as we were with Lance. Brit society is less likely to facilitate a Travis character and if we trace it back to 2004 when BC received funding from UK Sport to do their own blood testing, reporting to themselves, we then have one hell of a mutually supporting framework. There is one heck of a network of individuals all knowing quite and lot and all desperate for nothing to come out. Sir David (knowing and making sure everyone knew when and where he would not be looking) and Cookson OBE (too stupid to know where to look but keen on looking exactly where he would find nothing) are in the frame but at UK Sport we have Keen put in place in an act of supreme folly by Liz Nicholl. This enmeshes a whole raft of others. I am quite sure Keen knows where enough bodies are buried in other sports, particularly athletics, to make it so that fools like Nicholl and Parkinson are sh*t scarred of knocking down a couple of early dominoes with fear that the chain will come right back to their own offices. For Nicholl it was failure to do due diligence on Keen knowing that Boardman was not trading fractions of a second with Big Mig, Olano and Romminger powered by fruit juice and apple pie. Sadly Nicholl was the wrong character for the job, just like Cookson is. Neither were going to look for something that might shatter the dream that they went to sleep with each night. "Got to be clean - they have passed the drug tests - they are clean, they are clean, they are clean ! I have masterminded the greatest ever sporting success in the history of Britain. They are clean, they are clean, from Daley Thompson, Alan Wells & Fatima Whitbread, through to Sir Bradley and Geriant Thomas, they have all passed every test. They are clean. "

The way Radcliffe's solicitors were able to lock down the UK press was frightening. Remember the Sutton story on the front page of the Daily Telegraph, the week-end Fran was in hospital. Later on that day the story was pulled and re-written and then, a few months later, out of the blue - the author, long term Telegraph journo Brendan Gallagher gets the sack. Re-sizing the telegraph journalist team, 1 sports journalist has to go. 1 other journalist across the whole paper had to go. I wasn't the greatest fan of Gallagher's writings but hell, that is some projection of power. Sir David, Fran, Sky. This is one hell of an evil pack with one hell of a vested interest in Sir Bradley retaining his knighthood.

Some very good points. However there was some massive corporations with a vested interest in Armstrong not being uncovered yet it still happened.

 

[SundayRider]

Agreed. They had lots of money and huge gains to make, far more so than the cycling team means to Sky and the Murdoch empire. In the UK the chain is not so much commercial as locked into the establishment.

The whole feel-good factor of London 2012 is focused not on the volunteer helpers and a commercial structure that actually delivered a major project in a mature, world-ranked city, on time and without unbearable budget over-runs, but on false stars like Sir Bradley and Sir David. The international star of the show was Bolt, another false idol, forced down our throats by the teen-aged minds at the BBC. At Athens, the Greeks could barely be ars*d to attend events that interfered with the next night out spending the new highly valued Euro on a bottle of Ouzo, as they tried to ignore that the motorbike that had been involved in the "accident" that hospitalised Kenteris and Thanou was revealed to be pristine when its owner opened up the lock-up to the World's press. Beijing brought order and security with fans bused into the security cordon and ordered how and when to wave their flags. At London the population were as brilliant as the Aussies had been at Sydney. Is anyone going to knock down Twiggo and create a domino fall-fest ? I just can't see it.

I can't see it right now and it is more unlikely than likely but I wouldn't be totally shocked if it did. I don't think it would tarnish the full Oympics somehow. I'd love to see a positive test from Wiggins/Froome/Sky rather than a story years down the line ala Armstrong, but that is not likely at all.

 

[blackcat]

Some very good points. However there was some massive corporations with a vested interest in Armstrong not being uncovered yet it still happened.

no, it happened cos Landis went nuclear.

And the phenomenal rear office of LAnce Inc, failed to assess the risk equation. Or, which is equally valid, armstrong wished to do the Kennedy Khrushchev brinkmanship over Floyd again and rub his nose in it.

Bring Landis back into the tent, Armstrong is about 100 million better off.

Thats alot to pay for your raison d'etre and personaly lifeforce. Lance became Lance's greatest liability and expense.

Is there an April Macy in the house?

I said, is there an April Macy in da house?

April MAcy in da House!!!
in da House!

 

[The Hitch]

The question in my mind would be, if AICAR (or whatever Sky are suspected of taking) is so good why isn't everyone doing it - both in the team and in other teams?

That really isn't much of a "got you" question. There are a million possible reasons for why only a handful of gt riders might be using an expensive drug.

 

[The Hitch]

The guy is deluded. Thinks the public will believe any old nonsense he comes up with.

For once Brailsford is right.

 

[The Hitch]

I'll post this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MRvw1vSivM#t=133
a.o., Boyer is just a few inches short of explicitly mentioning Wiggins as an AICAR user.
talks about AICAR and an ex-Cofidis who is now winning stage races losing around 6-7 kilograms, which is exactly the weight Wiggins lost in 2009.

Thanks. What exactly is he saying (since it seems to be in French with no subtitles et je ne compre pas)

also to everyone else, is there anyone else but wiggins that could fit the description?

 

[Freddythefrog]

He's still with his girlfriend as far as I know. Not sure if the Fran Millar thing is still going. Maybe losing her teeth after riding a bike without the front qr done up was a deal breaker for him. Mind you, she got an undisclosed payout despite it being her fault.

What happened to Mrs Sir David and the kids ? And Fran's front wheel dropping out - what were the circumstances regarding that ? Who on earth did she make a claim against ?

 

[wrinklyvet]

Thanks. What exactly is he saying (since it seems to be in French with no subtitles et je ne compre pas)

also to everyone else, is there anyone else but wiggins that could fit the description?

You haven't worked out how to run the subtitles. Find the icon. See how helpful I try to be!

 

[thehog]

Thanks. What exactly is he saying (since it seems to be in French with no subtitles et je ne compre pas)

also to everyone else, is there anyone else but wiggins that could fit the description?

In your YouTube settings, turn "on" closed captioning (subtitles).

 

[sniper]

That really isn't much of a "got you" question. There are a million possible reasons for why only a handful of gt riders might be using an expensive drug.

Allow me to speculate.

One possibility is indeed the budget: in 2012/13 no other team could afford a fullproof AICAR program yet. (I read about prices varying from 300.000 euros to 500.000 euros for one individual AICAR program, i assume for one season. That's not peanuts)

Another possibility is that UCI/ASO had been threatening teams with increased AICAR tests while giving Sky a cartblanch for its use. (threatening = bluffing in this case, since as far as i know there was no viable test for it yet in 2012).

Otoh, it's not unlikely that other high-budget teams were using it in 2012/13, since (i think) there was no test for it yet. (not sure if there is one now, though allegedly Cologne can test for it since 2013)
So a third possibility is that UCI/ASO had given Sky cartblanch for other products that they were doing increased testing for (and warning other teams about), such as EPO.

There are other possibilities no doubt.

 

[sniper]

For once Brailsford is right.

Thanks. What exactly is he saying (since it seems to be in French with no subtitles et je ne compre pas)

also to everyone else, is there anyone else but wiggins that could fit the description?

summary in English:

This is the new EPO, the big open secret. Says that sports are selling us the hype about no fat, gluten free diets in training but AICAR is the reality of that.

First public rumours in summer 2007, with anti-obesity research having been done into the acadesine molecule present in the body. The molecule appears in small amounts but if artificially increased, the results are impressive. Mice treated with AICAR could deliver an equivalent effort for 44% longer than untreated mice without having done any training beforehand. Mixed with training and GW501516 the result was more like 70%.

AFLD's Scientific Advisor Michel Rieu says we know the above effects of AICAR but almost nothing else about it. Nevertheless, it is being widely used in sports, according to word of mouth. It is still undetectable and at "?300,000 a treatment" remains available only to those with money.

The French hotline Ecoute Dopage receives 3,000 anonymous calls a year, mostly queries about supplements and corticosteroids. Calls about AICAR have only appeared recently and there have only been about 50 so far.

The responder says there's was a slight sense of panic when the first call inevitably came through. They didn't really know what it was at that time, so they needed to do some research. She says that athletes are attracted by the very fact that so little is known, even despite the dangers.

On the Internet, however, AICAR is hardly so anonymous: forums, websites, online sales.

The programme makers tried to buy from three online sources, one of which was French, one American and one Chinese. The Chinese one offered a deal of AICAR+GW1516. The products were theoretically available only to researchers only but in fact a credit card was the only data required to purchase from the US and China, plus a false email address in France. All three purchases were successful.

One week later: 200 mg AICAR + 150 mg GW1516 = ?500 vs. ?50,000 from official sources.

A CNRS lab in Bordeaux specialises in AICAR research. It analysed the products. They were genuine and of the correct amounts.

Researchers currently have more questions than answers about the acadesine molecule. It is unlikely to be fully understood for several years.

As a DS at Cofidis, Eric Boyer saw several riders leave the team and turn into stage race winners. He says the human body can't endure for long being at less than 6% body fat.

Even so, he has seen it happen later on with many riders. When he hears about weight loss in riders' interviews, he knows it is simply not possible to lose 6, 7 or more kg like that. You'd have to not eat for four or five days and you can't ride a bike like that.

In Cologne, the Anti-Doping lab has been looking at AICAR for the last couple of years. They have reached a breakthrough and think they might have a valid test in time for this year's Tour but otherwise they will be ready to retroactively test the samples up to 8 years later.

Until then, anorexic athletes are the champions and the only AICAR positives are mice. For now.

source: http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=412.0

 

[The Hitch]

Evidently the Daily Telegraph tasked Brendan Gallagher with digging dirt on the team but he refused and was sacked.

Come again?

 

[The Hitch]

funny, in the short french docu on aicar (with Boyer interview) i posted earlier they say (translation from this website):


Wiggins in 2009:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-the-transformation-64032#SB3i7deQLBGECiWR.99

I've often criticised you sniper and you can go off the rails sometimes but in this case I have to take my hat off and say top quality work finding out all this stuff.

Really appreciated.


Also as a side point that quote should be pretty unpleasant reading who anyone believed in Novak Djokovic.

 

[thehog]

summary in English:
source: http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=412.0

The lab rats test was interesting. Injected one of them with AICAR and the rat turned into a Froome! Poor little thing was on the wheel for 8 hours straight while his friend couldn't keep up!

Sutton was doing similar training with Wiggins where he would strap the powermeter onto the moped and kept him at 450w+ up the climbs.

 

[Beech Mtn]

<snipped>

Wiggins in 2009:

Working with the nutritionist, Nigel Mitchell, Wiggins began to lose weight at the start of the year. He went gluten free in January and February, stopped having sugar in his coffee, would do training rides without having breakfast to get his metabolism to work differently, and he?d do longer training rides.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-the-transformation-64032#SB3i7deQLBGECiWR.99

They really need to get their stories straight:

Brailsford firmly believes that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Before a long ride he recommends eating porridge, fruit and a small amount of protein for sustainability.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/promotions/events/11409547/David-Brailsford-at-the-London-Bike-Show-nutrition-is-fundamental-to-cycling.html

 

[thehog]

They really need to get their stories straight:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/promotions/events/11409547/David-Brailsford-at-the-London-Bike-Show-nutrition-is-fundamental-to-cycling.html

Stopped having sugar in his coffee!!!

What would the Italians think?

 

[The Hitch]

They really need to get their stories straight:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/promotions/events/11409547/David-Brailsford-at-the-London-Bike-Show-nutrition-is-fundamental-to-cycling.html

Love it

 

[The Hitch]

summary in English:

source: http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=412.0

But I mean, specifically what is he saying in the youtube clip

 

[Digger]

Stopped having sugar in his coffee!!!

What would the Italians think?

every single thing they tell us about diet has been known for decades upon decades in bodybuilding or any other sport for that matter.
Training on an empty stomach, less carbs, more protein, etc etc.....no sugar...who'd have thought

 

[sniper]

They really need to get their stories straight

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/promotions/events/11409547/David-Brailsford-at-the-London-Bike-Show-nutrition-is-fundamental-to-cycling.html

hehe, indeed they do.

here's a view inside Team Sky's kitchen. No talk whatsoever of skipping breakfast, let alone of gluten-free food. On the contrary.

Most of my athletes would rather have food ? they want to eat - they want to enjoy food.? When you?re eating pasta for breakfast it can easily become just another part of your training kit....
Back in the Tour de France, riders preload on carbs for breakfast: pasta, rice, omelettes, cereals and toast to top up their glycogen levels for the day ahead.

that is some extremely gluten rich food.

 

[LaFlorecita]

hehe, indeed they do.

here's a view inside Team Sky's kitchen. No talk whatsoever of skipping breakfast, let alone of gluten-free food. On the contrary.
that is some extremely gluten rich food.

Back in the Tour de France, riders preload on carbs for breakfast: pasta, rice, omelettes, cereals and toast to top up their glycogen levels for the day ahead.

Preloading on carbs with omelettes, who the hell made this up..

 

[thehog]

Preloading on carbs with omelettes, who the hell made this up..

Yes, total BS. Cyclists stopped eating mass carbs for breakfast in the late 80's.

Fette biscottate e marmellata, good to go! oh and an espresso.