Pulling a Wiggins

[Freddythefrog]

Let's try to be a bit fairer than that. It's a few feet short of it. You do exaggerate for effect!

Sniper, Brad has no need of the good Nutritionalist, either with a diploma or without it to supply him when you have friends like the son of professional wrestler "Killer Kowalski" who learned their trade and gained their contacts in the dark and smokey atmospheres of the sixes, and can get to you anything you want.

2008 World Track champs - Hayles given a health rest for being over 50%
Heroes Villains and Velodromes - Richard Moore P286 "The opening night, against the backdrop of the Hayles case, is played out to a slightly surreal atmosphere- perhaps not sensed by the crowd, but infecting many of those involved with the British team like a mild virus. Bradley Wiggins the defending world and Olympic pursuit champion, qualifies second to a virtually unknown Dutchman - this after vomiting shortly before his qualifying ride. Later he puts his sickness and the puzzle surrounding his friend and fellow team pursuiter Hayles behind him to roar to victory"

"PUZZLE" ! What a lovely euphamism. Today, reading the pages before this to get the quote, it is like something out of an Ealing comedy. Incompetent criminals and even more stupid and incompetent plod, along with a thick journalist narrating it all at face value. The Only difference was the Ealing writers were doing it all with their tongues firmly in their cheeks.

Richard Moore - working out why Sir Bradley was suddenly honking up when he found out one of his best mates, who he had ridden the madison with at Athens and multiple team pursuits, was popped, might be your equivalent of deciphering the hieroglyphs of the Upper Nile, but to most of us - it is stark staring obvious.

 

[sniper]

Sniper, Brad has no need of the good Nutritionalist, either with a diploma or without it to supply him when you have friends like the son of professional wrestler "Killer Kowalski" who learned their trade and gained their contacts in the dark and smokey atmospheres of the sixes, and can get to you anything you want.

2008 World Track champs - Hayles given a health rest for being over 50%
Heroes Villains and Velodromes - Richard Moore P286 "The opening night, against the backdrop of the Hayles case, is played out to a slightly surreal atmosphere- perhaps not sensed by the crowd, but infecting many of those involved with the British team like a mild virus. Bradley Wiggins the defending world and Olympic pursuit champion, qualifies second to a virtually unknown Dutchman - this after vomiting shortly before his qualifying ride. Later he puts his sickness and the puzzle surrounding his friend and fellow team pursuiter Hayles behind him to roar to victory"

"PUZZLE" ! What a lovely euphamism. Today, reading the pages before this to get the quote, it is like something out of an Ealing comedy. Incompetent criminals and even more stupid and incompetent plod, along with a thick journalist narrating it all at face value. The Only difference was the Ealing writers were doing it all with their tongues firmly in their cheeks.

if you got the whool pulled firmly over your eyes, then yes, many ordinary things in life must seem like genuine puzzles.

Hayles as a provider? It clearly wouldn't surprise me.
Here he's asked to comment on the JTL case.
I'm not a psychologist, but it's easy to see he's having all kinds of trouble keeping a straight face:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/28365146

 

[Hawkwood]

1. you're not addressing the wider issue (see red flanders' post above)

2. i'm hardly exaggerating.
the guy doesn't have a diploma.
a guy without a diploma is credited for developing nutrition that makes topathletes slim down another 5-7 kilo while gaining power.
some jackpot Sky hit there.

Mitchell is a registered dietitian, in order to become one you need to be registered with the British Dietetic Association and have a dietetics degree. With only a little searching I found that he's got a BSc. He's also published, see Essentials of Sports Nutrition' in the `Journal of Human Nutrition and Dietetics'. I would doubt that any UK university would make someone into a visiting senior lecturer if he/she wasn't qualified, or hadn't published in an academic journal. I also see that he's provided a clinical practice within the NHS.

 

[The Hitch]

Seems Mitchell got his nutritional skills onto a whole new level in 2009.
He'd previously been guiding Wiggins for years prior to 2009.
This is him about Wiggins in 2006:


clearly AICAR wasn't around yet:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/nutrition/six-golden-rules-of-nutrition-74553

Sniper owning the clinic.

That is real interesting. Wiggos weight loss guy says wiggo can get down to 75kg. Then the year aicar comes out that suddenly becomes 70kg.

All the pieces fit.

 

[SundayRider]

Sniper owning the clinic.

That is real interesting. Wiggos weight loss guy says wiggo can get down to 75kg. Then the year aicar comes out that suddenly becomes 70kg.

All the pieces fit.

69Kg for the 2012 Tour! According to Wiggins himself.

 

[thehog]

Seems Mitchell got his nutritional skills onto a whole new level in 2009.
He'd previously been guiding Wiggins for years prior to 2009.
This is him about Wiggins in 2006:


clearly AICAR wasn't around yet:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/nutrition/six-golden-rules-of-nutrition-74553

That article is hilarious!

If you put on weight you?re overfuelling, but it may not just be the amount or type of food that is causing you to gain weight,? says Nigel Mitchell. ?It could be that you?re eating at the wrong times. If you eat nothing before or during a long ride and then eat loads afterwards you?ll put weight on. There?s a difference between eating because you?re fatigued from exercise as opposed to eating all of your calories after a ride. Eat little and often and ensure you have a good, balanced diet with plenty of fruit and vegetables. Stick to a sensible diet.

 

[Benotti69]

He is a registered dietician since 1991. About 50% of these have degrees as there are other ways to qualify and I assume as he does not claim a degree you are right that he does not have one. He says he has a clinical and sport career spanning almost 20 years. He is a Visiting Senior Lecturer at the University of Portsmouth.

I am sure you are right - he must be a mere amateur who knows less than you or me about what can be done in his field of non-expertise.

Forgive me, but I don't propose to enter debate with you about what Wiggins can do with or without drugs or what this guy knows about it. I generally feel that as you have nothing to go on other than "it's impossible" you are clutching at sttraws.

However, it's so well known as to be a cliche that you can't prove a negative and I intend to leave it at that. Go on patting each other on the back while running down this apparently honest man. I'm out.

Sean Kelly talked about dieting with De Garibaldy in the late 70s and early 80s.

Wiggins and his dietry BS is only to fool the weak minded. AICAR comes along, Wiggins looks like something from Belsen and loses no power. Of course it was no more pork pies after a night of pints, of course it was.

 

[SundayRider]

Sean Kelly talked about dieting with De Garibaldy in the late 70s and early 80s.

Wiggins and his dietry BS is only to fool the weak minded. AICAR comes along, Wiggins looks like something from Belsen and loses no power. Of course it was no more pork pies after a night of pints, of course it was.

This. The nutritionist talked about calorie reduction and a balanced diet yet Wiggins would only be coming out of the Tour at 75Kg yet a few years later (when in theory it should be harder and harder to slim down due to age) Wiggins rides the tour at 5 or 6Kg lighter than that 'optimal' weight.

 

[sniper]

Mitchell is a registered dietician, in order to become one you need to be registered with the British Dietetic Association and have a dietetics degree. With only a little searching I found that he's got a BSc. He's also published, see Essentials of Sports Nutrition' in the `Journal of Human Nutrition and Dietetics'. I would doubt that any UK university would make someone into a visiting senior lecturer if he/she wasn't qualified, or hadn't published in an academic journal. I also see that he's provided a clinical practice within the NHS.

cheers, I stand corrected.

He's probably just a sockpuppet anyway.

Tour de France 2013: Team Sky fuelled to perfection by top dietician

Talk to Nigel. That was Sir Dave Brailsford's answer when questioned over the spectacular weight loss managed by some of Team Sky's cyclists. Some of the most notable weight drops have come from racers switching from track to road, with Bradley Wiggins the prime example along with the London team pursuit gold medallists Peter Kennaugh – who lost five kilos in the run-up to the Tour and performed well in the Pyrenees – and Geraint Thomas.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/14/tour-de-france-team-sky-dietician

 

[Hawkwood]

cheers, I stand corrected.

He's probably just a sockpuppet anyway.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/14/tour-de-france-team-sky-dietician

You're welcome. It was easy finding the basic info on MItchell, the rest has taken a bit of drilling down. Anyway he appears to have started as a qualified dietitian in 1991, and rose to the rank of senior community dietitian. He left full-time working in the NHS around 1999 when he became a senior lecturer at Sheffield Hallam. He's got a BSc and MSc, and a `diploma', the latter doesn't mean much unless you know whether it's ug or pg. He's a State Registered Dietitian, and has written for the Nursing Times.

Here's an interesting one Mitchell is down as a supervisor for a PhD project entitled: `Nutritional modulation of training-induced adaptations of human skeletal muscle'.

 

[Freddythefrog]

I have it on the best authority, Mitchell has innocently been plying his trade as dietitian advising BC riders since 2001. No way is he responsible for the step change to Sir Bradley's physic regardless of what any Skybots might like to think.

 

[veganrob]

Pretty soon we'll learn Sky has been secrety growing their own hybridized crops that can magically transform riders.
Why did none of the other teams think of that? Because they would rather take the easy way and just do drugs. Bone idle ****ers. hah

 

[red_flanders]

He is a registered dietician since 1991. About 50% of these have degrees as there are other ways to qualify and I assume as he does not claim a degree you are right that he does not have one. He says he has a clinical and sport career spanning almost 20 years. He is a Visiting Senior Lecturer at the University of Portsmouth.

I am sure you are right - he must be a mere amateur who knows less than you or me about what can be done in his field of non-expertise.

Forgive me, but I don't propose to enter debate with you about what Wiggins can do with or without drugs or what this guy knows about it. I generally feel that as you have nothing to go on other than "it's impossible" you are clutching at sttraws.

However, it's so well known as to be a cliche that you can't prove a negative and I intend to leave it at that. Go on patting each other on the back while running down this apparently honest man. I'm out.

How do you think Wiggins lost the weight? Thanks.

 

[sniper]

Sniper owning the clinic.

this.


just kidding,
this:

That is real interesting. Wiggos weight loss guy says wiggo can get down to 75kg. Then the year aicar comes out that suddenly becomes 70kg.

All the pieces fit.

indeed

Two new, undetectable doping products were used at this year's Tour de France, according to the French Anti-Doping Agency...
...One of the new products, according to the newspaper, is Hematide, which is a form of erythropoietin (EPO), that maintains stable haemoglobin levels...
...The other product allegedly used is Aicar, which enhances muscle tissue while burning fat...
...Bordry was reportedly "shocked" by the thinness of some of the riders at this year's Tour...

 

[Hawkwood]

He is a registered dietician since 1991. About 50% of these have degrees as there are other ways to qualify and I assume as he does not claim a degree you are right that he does not have one. He says he has a clinical and sport career spanning almost 20 years. He is a Visiting Senior Lecturer at the University of Portsmouth.

He's got a BSc and MSc.

 

[sniper]

I have it on the best authority, Mitchell has innocently been plying his trade as dietitian advising BC riders since 2001. No way is he responsible for the step change to Sir Bradley's physic regardless of what any Skybots might like to think.

You gotta hand it to Sky and Brailsford.
It's been clever of them to share the credits of the success between multiple individuals.
Different individuals credited as the alleged master minds, feeding the hungry and gullible British press with hollow talk while deflecting away from what should be the real talking points.

Matt Parker "Guru of Marginal Gains"
Nigel Mitchell "Team Sky fuelled to perfection by top dietician"
Tim Kerrison "the Australian coach behind Bradley Wiggins's Tour de France and Olympic triumphs of 2012"
and Brailsford himself of course.

 

[D-Queued]

You gotta hand it to Sky and Brailsford.
It's been clever of them to share the credits of the success between multiple individuals.
Different individuals credited as the alleged master minds, feeding the hungry and gullible British press with hollow talk while deflecting away from what should be the real talking points.

Matt Parker "Guru of Marginal Gains"
Nigel Mitchell "Team Sky fuelled to perfection by top dietician"
Tim Kerrison "the Australian coach behind Bradley Wiggins's Tour de France and Olympic triumphs of 2012"
etc.

Its the key to marginal gains. A little bit of this, and a tiny bit of that...

And, I know it has practically been beaten to death already, but 'marginal gains' is an oxymoron. Gawk!

Dave.

 

[bobbins]

Brads low residual diet was alleged to shift at least a kg. certainly not 5 though.

 

[Benotti69]

You gotta hand it to Sky and Brailsford.
It's been clever of them to share the credits of the success between multiple individuals.
Different individuals credited as the alleged master minds, feeding the hungry and gullible British press with hollow talk while deflecting away from what should be the real talking points.

Matt Parker "Guru of Marginal Gains"
Nigel Mitchell "Team Sky fuelled to perfection by top dietician"
Tim Kerrison "the Australian coach behind Bradley Wiggins's Tour de France and Olympic triumphs of 2012"
and Brailsford himself of course.

Dont forget they learned that from USPS and the original beard, Chris 'Comical' Carcmichael...........

 

[blackcat]

Its the key to marginal gains. A little bit of this, and a tiny bit of that...

And, I know it has practically been beaten to death already, but 'marginal gains' is an oxymoron. Gawk!

Dave.

the best marginal gain was triangulating them all sans a single false economy

 

[thehog]

the best marginal gain was triangulating them all sans a single false economy

This will keep you going Blackcat.

 

[blackcat]

This will keep you going Blackcat.

mispelled Wigans

did I misspell mispelled?


i always preferred Vespas to quadrophenia and lambrettas


Vespas > lambrettas

venereal disease > lambrettas > mods

 

[thehog]

mispelled Wigans

did I misspell mispelled?


i always preferred Vespas to quadrophenia and lambrettas


Vespas > lambrettas

venereal disease > lambrettas > mods

I think you could wear one down to the boozer. Looks spiffy.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Shirt looks nice enough.

Still the colours are a little dark for me to wear. I pretty much need to wear dayglo stuff so the Atlanta drivers can see me.

 

[Hawkwood]

Shirt looks nice enough.

Still the colours are a little dark for me to wear. I pretty much need to wear dayglo stuff so the Atlanta drivers can see me.

I have to say I agree, I quite like it, but would prefer them to lose the names/logos.