Pulling a Wiggins

[The Hegelian]

Yes, and one has got to remember that winning GT's isn't some lucky dip project.

It's a formula. Since Ferrari, it's basically a mathematical proposition translated into whichever bodies are capable. Central to the maths is watts. Central to watts is power/weight.

I find it basically impossible to believe that Sky are coming into GT's with any of those figures up in the air. They come fully prepared - you don't compete to win or podium GT's without having total control over those variables. There is much that can't be controlled - crashes, illness etc. But watts/weight can be, and it is in anyone who genuinely contends. That's the whole essence of being a GT rider.

The fact that Wiggins took those corticosterioids right before each GT is basically a neon light that says: we (Sky) think he's there or there abouts. If he was to lose X kgs (or even grams) + gain Y watts, then we're on the top step.

Anyone who knows the sport, knows this as truth. And you simply can't bend it. It is simply so.

 

[Benotti69]

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Can you post a link to those actual rules - just so we can check.

How's the checking going?

Rasmussen and others have pointed out the TUE Wiggins got would cover more than the 40mg on the TUE. He could take any amount during the race and every anti-doping sample taken would have it noted down so they wouldn't test for it.

40mg is double what others took and 4 times what riders on Festina were given by Wily Voet in 98.

That sure is doping. Never mind the top ups during the race!

All that and still Froome let him win! :lol:

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

Can you post a link to those actual rules - just so we can check.

How's the checking going?

Rasmussen and others have pointed out the TUE Wiggins got would cover more than the 40mg on the TUE. He could take any amount during the race and every anti-doping sample taken would have it noted down so they wouldn't test for it.

40mg is double what others took and 4 times what riders on Festina were given by Wily Voet in 98.

That sure is doping. Never mind the top ups during the race!

All that and still Froome let him win! :lol:

Reminds me of that quote by Landis about Wiggins.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Can you post a link to those actual rules - just so we can check.

How's the checking going?

Rasmussen and others have pointed out the TUE Wiggins got would cover more than the 40mg on the TUE. He could take any amount during the race and every anti-doping sample taken would have it noted down so they wouldn't test for it.

40mg is double what others took and 4 times what riders on Festina were given by Wily Voet in 98.

That sure is doping. Never mind the top ups during the race!

All that and still Froome let him win! :lol:

I agree with all of this. Its hilarious just how much "aid" Wiggins was given to win the 2012 Tour. He had a free dope pass issued by the UCI, a flat course and a team which basically TTT their way around France for him. And still he wasn't even the best guy in the race. No wonder McQuaid preempted the Sky victory party before the race had ended. Wiggins was always to win the all involved was going to make sure that occurred.

I have no idea Wiggins sleeps at night with that thought. He's not even a very good liar. Get Lance back for Comeback 3.0, at least he knew how to crap the audience way better.

 

[Kokoso]

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It is hard not to notice the downright skeletal physique of the Sky riders over the last several season...makes me wonder exactly how the rest of the Sky riders are achieving similar remarkable physiques.

Dou you mean Sergio Henao, Stannard, Thomas, or König? Or Kennaugh?

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

Can you post a link to those actual rules - just so we can check.

How's the checking going?

Rasmussen and others have pointed out the TUE Wiggins got would cover more than the 40mg on the TUE. He could take any amount during the race and every anti-doping sample taken would have it noted down so they wouldn't test for it.

40mg is double what others took and 4 times what riders on Festina were given by Wily Voet in 98.

That sure is doping. Never mind the top ups during the race!

All that and still Froome let him win! :lol:

Its not that i didnt believe you but I couldn't easily find the link to those rules.

 

[TheSpud]

Can someone clarify for me how the TUE works as it was for 24 hours. Does that mean that he only has protection from an AAF for that 24 hours, and if he is tested, say, 2 days later and returns an AAF then he's not? Does the Triam leave the body that quickly?

 

[TheSpud]

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Can someone clarify for me how the TUE works as it was for 24 hours. Does that mean that he only has protection from an AAF for that 24 hours, and if he is tested, say, 2 days later and returns an AAF then he's not? Does the Triam leave the body that quickly?

Had i actually read all of Benottis post I would have answered my own question - d'oh!

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

Can you post a link to those actual rules - just so we can check.

How's the checking going?

Rasmussen and others have pointed out the TUE Wiggins got would cover more than the 40mg on the TUE. He could take any amount during the race and every anti-doping sample taken would have it noted down so they wouldn't test for it.

40mg is double what others took and 4 times what riders on Festina were given by Wily Voet in 98.

That sure is doping. Never mind the top ups during the race!

All that and still Froome let him win! :lol:

So do they not test for it, or do they absolve the AAF using the TUE? When would the protection of the TUE run out?

 

[MmeDesgrange]

The rule concerning TUEC was blatantly broken - Zorzoli was in the habit of signing off Sky TUEs there and then - happened, ironically enough, at the 2011 Dauphine for Rigoberto Uran

Would love to see all of Sky's TUEs - bet they make for interesting reading, just like Froome's pre Vuelta '11 power data

 

[sniper]

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just like Froome's pre Vuelta '11 power data

It was none other than the always reliable Dr. Freeman who assured Walsh that froome's pre2011 vuelta data are in the clear, good to go.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Re: Re:

Can you post a link to those actual rules - just so we can check.

How's the checking going?

Rasmussen and others have pointed out the TUE Wiggins got would cover more than the 40mg on the TUE. He could take any amount during the race and every anti-doping sample taken would have it noted down so they wouldn't test for it.

40mg is double what others took and 4 times what riders on Festina were given by Wily Voet in 98.

That sure is doping. Never mind the top ups during the race!

All that and still Froome let him win! :lol:

I was out walking my dogs the other day and I sneezed....it is now hayfever season and Melbourne is virtually the hayfever capital of the world. The thought immediately occurred to me; "Wiggins would probably die here" :lol:

 

[MmeDesgrange]

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just like Froome's pre Vuelta '11 power data

It was none other than the always reliable Dr. Freeman who assured Walsh that froome's pre2011 vuelta data are in the clear, good to go.

Dear old Dr Freeman, must be dizzy going through that Sky/BC revolving door all the time

Was thinking about the Deloitte audit today and bothered to google it - turns out all it served to do was establish that the focus in Sky wouldn't detract from the BC podium programme. And there was silly me under the impression it might have something to do with it all being just a wee bit, you know, incestuous

 

[McLovin]

What's the story of that photo from digger's profile? It has been discussed here? The inhaler one.

 

[Benotti69]

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What's the story of that photo from digger's profile? It has been discussed here? The inhaler one.

It is Wiggins using an 'inhaler' just before team pursuit final in Rio.

Because of the grass in the stadium that sets of his pollen allergy and then his asthma.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ukad-pushing-for-blanket-ban-on-drug-used-by-wiggins/

UKAD wants the drugs Wiggins used banned. That makes Wiggins a doper.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins and his people caught lying again.

https://twitter.com/Velocentric/status/786604279696072704

 

[Benotti69]

Simon Cope currently works for Team Wiggins.

 

[sniper]

Smell the coffee.

 

[IndianCyclist]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wig...s-test-three-months-before-rio-olympic-games/
Wiggins comes out of all this looking like the ultimate hypocrite of all sportsmen.
Ever coming closer to his idol LA

 

[movingtarget]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wig...s-test-three-months-before-rio-olympic-games/
Wiggins comes out of all this looking like the ultimate hypocrite of all sportsmen.
Ever coming closer to his idol LA

Wiggins was critical of Armistead for doing the same thing. What else is yet to be known about Wiggins ?

 

[Lyon]

Wiggins became to Froome what Riis was to Ullrich - a steppingstone, old guard dopers who where opportunistic enough to take advantage of the new paradigm in drug use before the younger, better generation did. Sadly, this also made them expendable.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins talked about a panel of 3 doctors approving the TUE.

Cookson talked about a 3 person panel.

Now Cookson told CN that it was 1 doctor, Zorzoli.

What does our history of sport tells about people who tell lies?

 

[coinneach]

Even Sir Chris Hoy now saying Wiggins has questions to answer only he can answer now on BBC Radio4 at 7.30am.
Then Richard Moore not standing up for Brailsford.
When friends like these are talking (if not exactly speaking out), the writing is on the wall

 

[Craigee]

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Wiggins talked about a panel of 3 doctors approving the TUE.

Cookson talked about a 3 person panel.

Now Cookson told CN that it was 1 doctor, Zorzoli.

What does our history of sport tells about people who tell lies?

The rules clearly state that there has to be a three man panel to approve TUE's. There for if one man Zorzoli signed it off then it must surely have been a breach of the rules.

Wiggins says the Tue's were for prevention as he was having slight symptoms (if it was bad he would have said so in his book) with breathing when the rules again state clearly that it has to be used as a cure only. How is it even possible for anyone to say that no rules were broken?

So when will they hold the hearing against Wiggins, Team Sky, the UCI and Wada?

Or is cycling more corrupt than ever?