Benotti69 said:ToB Wiggins was not 2012 Wiggins, but today was 2012 Wiggins, that is the wonder of PEDs
Well, 2012 Wiggins beat Tony Martin by more over a shorter race.
On the other hand
Knew I could get better of Tony if I could sustain 470-80w (at 72kg) in the final.
= about 6.6 w/kg
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Nothing to suggest that Wiggins performed any better this year than he did in 2011 or 2013. I could point out that Tony Martin was clearly below his best but any suggestion of this just makes me a 'Skybot' so I won't bother.
Bernie's eyesore said:
Don't expect the oracles in here to let the facts get in the way. When I first came to the forums I only read the Clinic and learned a lot before they lost the plot. Now I only come after something like today to see the mantras (bit like the omerta really).
Nuash65 said:
Me too, that's exactly what I did here. You just know it's gonna drag the fruitloops out every time someone wins a race!
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JimmyFingers said:
I dont think anyone was surprised Jim. Remember we all know he is a doper so when a doper wins, 'quelle surprise'. Plenty dont like him as a person due to his disdain (and insults) for fans, media, his 180º degree on doping and then on top of this his love for Armstrong really did nothing to enamour him to cycling fans who have watched the sport longer than 2010 and the beginnings of Sky.
Benotti69 said:
Superior tone - check!
Opinion stated as fact - check!
Completely irrelevant points - check!
Patronising implications about poster - check!
For sure that'll convince us all of your wisdom Benotti.
However, I can't see why you would dislike someone for, in your opinion, showing disdain for others? Hmmmm ... I'll have to ponder that.
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Nuash65 said:
Joined more than 4 years ago - check!
Posting on average 1.5 times per month since you joined - check!
Increasing your post count by stating the bleeding obvious as a way of denigrating another poster - check!
If you hate the clinic so much, you don't have to read it.
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settle gentle(wo)men, settle
no need to lose the plot over Wiggo. No need to activate a sockpuppet account to have a dig, it will all end in tears
And keep direct sockpuppet accusations private please
cheers
bison
no need to lose the plot over Wiggo. No need to activate a sockpuppet account to have a dig, it will all end in tears
And keep direct sockpuppet accusations private please
cheers
bison
This is not a sockpuppet account. I think my post was an appropriate response to a really spiteful and completely unnecessary one. Why is the Clinic allowed to be the private domain of a few where those with different opinions get chased off?
As to my post count, it's because every time I try to contribute the responses remind me not to bother and it can take months until I make the mistake again.
As to my post count, it's because every time I try to contribute the responses remind me not to bother and it can take months until I make the mistake again.
William H said:
Benotti69 said:
This makes it seem like achieving 6.6 w/kg in the finale of a 1hr event is strong evidence of doping. I'm curious if either of you have any references to support this?
It seems that pacing strategies would likely vary quite a bit for this less-than-flat timetrial. It wouldn't at all be surprising (to me, at least) if Wiggins chose to save a little for the tricky finale, meaning he'd be able to put out a power level for this portion of the course (whatever he meant by "finale") that would be significantly higher than he could sustain for the entire course.
It seems that a lot of posts here go in the direction of presuming that some fixed w/kg limit is strict "proof" of doping, without regard to the context.
Sure the number he cited is very impressive, and it wouldn't surprise me if doping had a part in generating this result, but the raw w/kg this quote implies doesn't seem to me to be evidence either for or against his doping.
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Yeah, but you're making the mistake of interrogating the evidence in front of you, rather than going with what you already know.ulrichw said:
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Nuash65 said:
The clinic is not a popularity contest.
Nor is it a forum for personal attacks.I am not here to convince anybody that the sport is dirty to the core. If you cannot see that from the readily available evidence and the lack of changes to anti doping and how some dopers are ostracised while others are welcome back with open arms than as 'Superior toned' and 'Patronising' Jan Ullrich has said, "I cannot help you".
Benotti69 said:The clinic is not a popularity contest.
I am not here to convince anybody that the sport is dirty to the core. If you cannot see that from the readily available evidence and the lack of changes to anti doping and how some dopers are ostracised while others are welcome back with open arms than as 'Superior toned' and 'Patronising' Jan Ullrich has said, "I cannot help you".
This post is self contradictory, first you say that it is not a forum for personnal attacks then in the next paragraph you make one
Benotti69 said:
Benotti69 said:
It certainly shouldn't be a forum for personal attacks. Unfortunately that only gets properly applied when an attack is utterly blatant. Your reply to Jim should clearly have counted as one but wouldn't due to the lack of a straight insult so I wanted to reflect your unpleasantness back on you. Why do you feel the need to be so nasty to others?
As for "apu", I would like a clear explanation of what you meant and/or implied by that because it seems troubling to me.
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Nuash65 said:
this is not the thread for discussing posters. It is the Wiggins thread and you are trying to derail it by making it personal.
APU = as per usual.
Not being nasty, i have no time for posters being naive. Calling a spade a spade is not nasty.
You want nasty, check out Bradley Wiggins
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