Purito - Joaquim Rodriguez thread

[jsem94]

I can't really see Purito pulling a VDB. Not going to happen. Stage 20 is his only chance to do something.

 

[Velolover2]

It looks great with the castle and old walls. Like brave knights competing on their modern era horses.

Do you know how long and steep the cobbled section is?

 

[Arredondo]

Did you guys see how Purito was struggling on the Cobertoria to even follow? And also on Ermita, he attacks, got a good gap on Aru, but lost quite some time in the end.

Conclusion: not a super day, only right tactic to only attack in the last km. If he attacked from far out, he would have lost massive time and it was bye bye Vuelta. Now it's still possible, even though it's going to be difficult.

Anyone who says he has ridden cowardly today, doesn't no a single clue about cycling.

 

[jsem94]

I agree completely. Purito rides at the very limit of what he is capable of. That may not be enough to snatch this GT though, with the surprise emergence of Tom D.

 

[roundabout]

Last arrival in Avila after Paramera that I can remember

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2008/mar08/castillaleon08/castillaleon082

 

[Velolover2]

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Last arrival in Avila after Paramera that I can remember

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2008/mar08/castillaleon08/castillaleon082

They should have finished the stage at the end of the cobble section instead of adding another k.

Do you know how long and steep the climb is? I can't find any data.

 

[roundabout]

http://www.altimetrias.net/aspbk/verPuerto.asp?id=618

 

[Velolover2]

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http://www.altimetrias.net/aspbk/verPuerto.asp?id=618

Thank you! It seems to be steepest once they hit the pavé.

 

[Carols]

Re:

Did you guys see how Purito was struggling on the Cobertoria to even follow? And also on Ermita, he attacks, got a good gap on Aru, but lost quite some time in the end.

Conclusion: not a super day, only right tactic to only attack in the last km. If he attacked from far out, he would have lost massive time and it was bye bye Vuelta. Now it's still possible, even though it's going to be difficult.

Anyone who says he has ridden cowardly today, doesn't no a single clue about cycling.

+1

He did what he could and considering he looked in difficulty more than once I say Kudos for taking the Rojo! Now do your best Purito, it isn't over until the final day.

At least he can start last and not get passed .

 

[portugal11]

he has no cojon## to attack from far

 

[SeriousSam]

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he has no cojon## to attack from far

Thank god he is doing his best to win the Vuelta instead of demonstrating he has conjon##. The epic hail mary long range attack is a rare creature these days, with domestiques close in power to leaders, good communication and good tactics. Because it's almost always a dumb move.

 

[rafaelalencar]

Re: Re:

he has no cojon## to attack from far

Thank god he is doing his best to win the Vuelta instead of demonstrating he has conjon##. The epic hail mary long range attack is a rare creature these days, with domestiques close in power to leaders, good communication and good tactics. Because it's almost always a dumb move.

This! Good!

 

[portugal11]

Re: Re:

he has no cojon## to attack from far

Thank god he is doing his best to win the Vuelta instead of demonstrating he has conjon##. The epic hail mary long range attack is a rare creature these days, with domestiques close in power to leaders, good communication and good tactics. Because it's almost always a dumb move.

from far means (for me) attacks with 5 km to the end... this tactic is stupid. he will not win this vuelta

 

[Escarabajo]

Re: Re:

he has no cojon## to attack from far

Thank god he is doing his best to win the Vuelta instead of demonstrating he has conjon##. The epic hail mary long range attack is a rare creature these days, with domestiques close in power to leaders, good communication and good tactics. Because it's almost always a dumb move.

from far means (for me) attacks with 5 km to the end... this tactic is stupid. he will not win this vuelta

In this case I disagree with you. He looked at the limit. Attacking from 5 kms would have caused him to loose time on the other GC guys or at least not gain anything.

 

[fungusbear]

What makes Purito so strong at the super sprint kind of finishes? Is it his lack of weight meaning he can just power up steep gradients?

 

[SuperBesse]

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What makes Purito so strong at the super sprint kind of finishes? Is it his lack of weight meaning he can just power up steep gradients?

Also the relation of power and endurance. He can produce extremely high watts but only for a short time.

 

[Red Rick]

Physiologically I think he's unique in that there's no other rider who can go so much over threshold during a single effort. He's also always able to put in some sort of sprint to the line, no matter how dead he is. If you look at Cuitu Negru, he was totally dead, but still put in 2s into Contador in the last 50m.

If you compare him to Valverde, I think he's not as anaerobically gifted, but he does have a higher max power output, so in a pure sprint, he'll also beat Purito. Thing is that the steeper it gets, the shorter a pure sprint becomes, and 1km at 10% is really more a sustained maximum effort than a pure sprint.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Closet approx would be 4k pursuit track cycling but after 150-200 ks. If ever they make a 1 k 8% gradient individual track event, he will win it every time.

 

[jsem94]

If it's 1k 15% he would win. At 8%, he would have to contend with the likes of Gilbert too.

 

[DFA123]

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If it's 1k 15% he would win. At 8%, he would have to contend with the likes of Gilbert too.

Neither would get close. A lightish sprinter or track rider would probably win it. There are loads of riders that could probably ride these gradients faster than Purito when fresh and completely rested; all of them are long dropped though by the MTF or are unable to put out anything close to max power. That's what makes Purito so good; the ability to keep his anaerobic powder dry and remain so explosive after long, tough races.

 

[fungusbear]

Thanks guys

 

[LaFlorecita]

Purito

 

[Squirbos_19]

His terrible TT skills fail him again. Very difficult to be a GC rider with no Time trial skills, especially for grand tours.

But he can still finish on the podium and perhaps win a jersey or two, He'll fight to the end of this Vuelta, it's not over yet.

 

[jsem94]

He has to try something if he really wants to win, but it won't happen this year. And in some ways it's only right that he doesn't win a GT. It's not supposed to be all about climbing anyway.

 

[Arredondo]

Just look at how he's built. I think he did an average TT. Not good, not bad.

But podium is sure safe now. And eventually that's the place he deserves.