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Question about anti-armstrong fanboys

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CentralCaliBike said:
I immediately was thinking of a gas attack by a bully I saw back in 1988.

The Halabja poison gas attack (Kurdish: Kîmyabarana Helebce) occurred in the period March 16–17 1988, during the Iran-Iraq War. Chemical weapons (CW) were used by the Iraqi government forces in the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja.

The attack instantly killed thousands of people (3,200-5,000 dead instantly) and injured 7,000-10,000, most of them civilians.[1] Thousands more died of horrific complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack.[2] The incident, which some define as an act of genocide, was as of 2009 the largest-scale chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack

yes, with chemical weapons Donald Rumsfeld sold to him on behalf of the USA Govt (arguably an even bigger bully much of the time), with the intention that he used them against Iran, whom the US saw as a mutual enemy.

That deal worked out well didn't it.
 
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Mongol_Waaijer said:
yes, with chemical weapons Donald Rumsfeld sold to him on behalf of the USA Govt (arguably an even bigger bully much of the time), with the intention that he used them against Iran, whom the US saw as a mutual enemy.

That deal worked out well didn't it.

I have heard that argument - how does it make Saddam Hussein less of a bully for using chemical weapons against civilians?
 
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take the politics somewhere else.

Wonder if the Armstrong Groupies will care that he is starting a new Livestrong magazine?

Need to pay for that Jet fuel
 
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take the politics somewhere else.

Wonder if the Armstrong Groupies will care that he is starting a new Livestrong magazine?

Need to pay for that Jet fuel

I did not know that a magazine was coming out. I can not wait cause I need some good bathroom material. I hope I do not get caught wacking off to it here at work! Will they have a online ("interwebs parn") version? I "hope" I "hope" I "hope" so.
 

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Riley Martin said:
I did not know that a magazine was coming out. I can not wait cause I need some good bathroom material. I hope I do not get caught wacking off to it here at work! Will they have a online ("interwebs parn") version? I "hope" I "hope" I "hope" so.

It will probably be a lot of dieting and excersize tips for old newbs, like the website.
 
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Riley Martin said:
I did not know that a magazine was coming out. I can not wait cause I need some good bathroom material. I hope I do not get caught wacking off to it here at work! Will they have a online ("interwebs parn") version? I "hope" I "hope" I "hope" so.

The magazine will be all about the comeback.... leveraging the Livestrong brand to get Armstrong more $$$
 
CentralCaliBike said:
I have heard that argument - how does it make Saddam Hussein less of a bully for using chemical weapons against civilians?

it doesn't

he still a bully

it just makes the US a bully......and a hypocrite

a bit like the accusations labelled against Armstrong

funnily.....Zappa's Bobby Brown is coming to mind :)
 
pmcg76 said:
As someone who doesnt like Lance but was once a fan, I will give a rundown on the sequence of events that turned the tide. I have followed Lances career since 1990 not 1999.

Firstly context, 1999 was the first year after Festina affair and there was cautious optimism that the sport might clean up.

Lance had never been a Tour contender post cancer, never condiedered as one and never considered himself as a contender. His best result was 4th in a very watered down Vuelta in 98, weakest of the GTs.

99-Very happy when Lance took the MJ but didnt expect him to win it, maybe top 10, genuinely surprised when he dominated in mountains but happy when he won the Tour. Simply a great story. The incident with Bassons didnt sound good but I simply ignored it. The cortisone injection, storm in a teacup.

00-02- Enjoyed Lance winning, moved to US in 01, bought a Trek, USPostal jersey, windbreaker. Saw him race at San Francisco GP in 02. The Ferrari link is revealed, not impressed at all because Ferrari has a very poor reputation.

03-04- As the rumours start to circulate and Lances attitude towards press becomes more and more arrogant, I start to become more sceptical. As more and more guys get busted, it becomes slightly more unlikely that he is clean. His dominance also makes the Tour boring which I dont enjoy.

04-Simeoni Affair-turning point, simply the most despicable incident I have witnessed in following 20 years of cycling. I challenge any Lance defender to find me a similar incident in cycling. It finally convinces me that Lance is very much pro-ometra, anti-clean cycling. All that optimism from 99 is gone.
Time to go back and review all those incidents that I had previously ignored. The evidence is not good. I definitely dont like Lance now.

05-My cycling magazine that I have been purchasing for over 10 years has a 20 page feature on Lance in almost every issue which drives me insane. Cycling is no longer about cycling. Its all about Lance. Maxium overkill. Cannot wait until he retires and we get back to talking about cycling. The EPO accusations, sit on the fence initially but the more I read regarding the subject and all his rivals appearing in Puerto or testing positive, the more obvious it is he doped. Contrast that with 99 when he was the great white hope.

Basically I opened my eyes and realised that Lance was a major fraud, as he was the biggest name in cycling, he stands out as the biggest fraud with all his conspiracy theories, PR spin and BS.

I dont even need to go into Frankie A, the court cases etc. I am sure you get the picture by now. His return this year was a chance to prove things had changed, no change, he acted like a arrogant baby and tried to use the cancer angle to deflect any criticsim. If his message was cancer awareness, why is he still not riding Lombardy. He stopped after the Tour. Is cancer less important between the Tour and the new season. If you can filter out the spin, BS it doesnt require a genius to figure out what LA is all about. Ego and money. Not a good combination.

Dude are you sure I didn't write this?
Jesus, you pretty much nailed everything to the last key A+