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[Spine Concept]

Someone was earlier saying here ( i think??? ) Vanmarcke does not deserve to be hyped ( even though he is younger than Gesink, Mollema and Kruisjwijk ) and is more of a specialised rider on the cobbles whereas those riders target stage races/ GT's.

So you think someone in here said it? Lol. Ok, than I say you are absolutely wrong, because I don't think I remember anyone saying that in here. Do you see how that works? Personally I thought Sep was a beast ever since last year's P-R. He's awesome and has a massive future. Big fan.

 

[theyoungest]

So you think someone in here said it? Lol. Ok, than I say you are absolutely wrong, because I don't think I remember anyone saying that in here. Do you see how that works? Personally I thought Sep was a beast ever since last year's P-R. He's awesome and has a massive future. Big fan.

Pisti said something about a "Vanmarcke is the new Roger de Vlaeminck" thread, but that was all in jest (although maybe not as ridiculous as "Kelderman is the new Eddy Merckx").

It would be nice to have a Dutch Vanmarcke though, our country only produces climbers

 

[Spine Concept]

Pisti said something about a "Vanmarcke is the new Roger de Vlaeminck" thread, but that was all in jest (although maybe not as ridiculous as "Kelderman is the new Eddy Merckx").

It would be nice to have a Dutch Vanmarcke though, our country only produces climbers

True that about Pisti, but no one said he did not deserve to be hyped as far as I remember. Regarding Vanmarcke, I know what you mean. It's hard to compete against Belgians in that department though, they eat cobbles for breakfast . It is odd though, that the Dutch haven't produced some talents of late in that department. I mean, Belgium is a border country, training cannot be easier. Gesink, Kruijswijk and co. have to find houses in Spain, which is further away, in order to train properly for their discipline. What do you reckon?

 

[El Pistolero]

Pisti said something about a "Vanmarcke is the new Roger de Vlaeminck" thread, but that was all in jest (although maybe not as ridiculous as "Kelderman is the new Eddy Merckx").

It would be nice to have a Dutch Vanmarcke though, our country only produces climbers

Sebastian Langeveld was fifth last year in Flanders. That's good. And one day Cancellara and Boonen will get old, so guys from the second line will get their chance.

 

[theyoungest]

Langeveld is indeed pretty good, the 5th in Flanders wasn't actually his best performance there (although result-wise it was). He's the exception. But for a completely flat country it's still weird to have only one "pretty good" rider for those races.

 

[El Pistolero]

Langeveld is indeed pretty good, the 5th in Flanders wasn't actually his best performance there (although result-wise it was). He's the exception. But for a completely flat country it's still weird to have only one "pretty good" rider for those races.

Yeah, I remember him being pretty strong in 2008.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Still I wonder how Boom will go... he looked pretty good yesterday until he decided to go cyclocross in a road race...

 

[theyoungest]

I liked Matt White's comment on that crash in the Greenedge video... "Lars Boom goes down like a bag of poop!"

 

[Spine Concept]

Still I wonder how Boom will go... he looked pretty good yesterday until he decided to go cyclocross in a road race...

Don't remind me of that, what an idiotic move. Like it would have mattered in the end going up that climb before Boonen. Not mentioning the way and the moment he chose to try that maneuver.

 

[The Hitch]

Correct me if I'm wrong here. Isn't that hype more warranted due to the results the Dutch young talents produce vis-a-vis Belgian talents? Give an example, like for example Kelderman, Gesink and Mollema, how have the Belgian talents fared during their espoir years in comparison? Oh, and just like you asked Timmy, I'm asking you not to take this the wrong way, I really don't know much about Belgian espoirs.

This could really come back to bite me if he wins today, but no way in hell does kelderman deserve to be on a list with Gesink and Mollema. Mollema and Gesink have shown themselves to be top top class on the pro stage. all wilco has thus far is the hype thread by dt which i didn't expect anyone to buy into so much.

As for Belgians they haven't shon as much yet, and but tommy dg and jelle vanendert are about the same age and showed some super performances last year so maybe over the next 2years they will show themselves equal to the Mollema and Gesink pair.

 

[The Hitch]

My god, could you atleast put some more effort into this troll. Take a look at Pistrollero if you want to do it properly, this is just a disgrace to trolls in general.

Bit quick to bring out the troll card no? all he said was that Ivan the terrible is a better climber than Gesink pair both in the past and still not maybe 1 year more in the present. it came in response to another post which raised the issue so it was 100% on topic. i think most people would agree with that though maybe we are all tolling.

 

[Spine Concept]

This could really come back to bite me if he wins today, but no way in hell does kelderman deserve to be on a list with Gesink and Mollema. Mollema and Gesink have shown themselves to be top top class on the pro stage. all wilco has thus far is the hype thread by dt which i didn't expect anyone to buy into so much.

As for Belgians they haven't shon as much yet, and but tommy dg and jelle vanendert are about the same age and showed some super performances last year so maybe over the next 2years they will show themselves equal to the Mollema and Gesink pair.

First of all, I was not comparing Gesink, Mollema, and Kerlderman with each other but with the results other Belgian espoirs have booked in comparison. Thus, I don't know where that came from. Secondly, who has bought into this? I think most people on here know that D_T was just taking the **** out of everyone with the title of this thread.
Lastly, again, I was talking about these riders in their espoir years, I never said Vanendert was inferior to them now or in the future. Thus, again, I don't know what this is about. This is exclusively about the espoir years and why some Dutch riders got more mentions in their early years. What you are talking about is a whole other discussion.

 

[Spine Concept]

Bit quick to bring out the troll card no? all he said was that Ivan the terrible is a better climber than Gesink pair both in the past and still not maybe 1 year more in the present. it came in response to another post which raised the issue so it was 100% on topic. i think most people would agree with that though maybe we are all tolling.

I don't know. Maybe we ought to let these people decide for themselves, no?

 

[The Hitch]

I don't know. Maybe we ought to let these people decide for themselves, no?

So long as Dutch votes only count for 1, yes

Though I did say " I think", hence its not a fact but an opinion.

 

[Spine Concept]

So long as Dutch votes only count for 1, yes

Though I did say " I think", hence its not a fact but an opinion.

A very presumptious opinion at that, hence my contention.
Lol. A poll would be interesting, though it might stir up quite the debate.

 

[cineteq]

Renshaw's value is decreasing really fast as Cav's winning and he's not even getting in the top 10. I wonder if he really is (was) "the best leadout man"?

 

[Frosty]

Just a quick question - what does gesink mean? I assumed it meant sunk or sank but online translators seem confused by it.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

it doesn't mean anything

 

[El Pistolero]

it doesn't mean anything

It probably means something, but we just don't know the etymology behind it. I don't believe someone chose a last name (during Napoleon's rule) that means nothing.

Speaking about etymology, they recently discovered the origin of the word fiets(bike in Dutch)

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=BR3MGI48

It comes the German word vize which can mean surrogate. And in this case: a surrogate horse.

 

[theyoungest]

The area where Gesink is from (in the east of the Netherlands) has a lot of names ending with -ink (Gesink, Tankink, Wensink, Hassink, Hamelink, Hiddink) so I assume there's an etymologic connection there.

 

[Kwibus]

Don't remind me of that, what an idiotic move. Like it would have mattered in the end going up that climb before Boonen. Not mentioning the way and the moment he chose to try that maneuver.

He admitted it was an idiotic move as well

 

[Kwibus]

Renshaw's value is decreasing really fast as Cav's winning and he's not even getting in the top 10. I wonder if he really is (was) "the best leadout man"?

I still think he's a good leadout man. He's just not the best sprinter. H
He was in Cav's wheel, but then 2 guys pushed him away just when it mattered. Before he got pushed away he allready bounced 2 away, but I guess he couldn't keep on headbutting/bouncing them away all the time.

 

[Kwibus]

It probably means something, but we just don't know the etymology behind it. I don't believe someone chose a last name (during Napoleon's rule) that means nothing.

Speaking about etymology, they recently discovered the origin of the word fiets(bike in Dutch)

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=BR3MGI48

It comes the German word vize which can mean surrogate. And in this case: a surrogate horse.

Not everyone agrees on this discovery btw. Heared an hilarious discussion with the guy that discovered it and some language specialist who didn't agree with it. It was hilarious really.

 

[frandy]

Pisti said something about a "Vanmarcke is the new Roger de Vlaeminck" thread, but that was all in jest (although maybe not as ridiculous as "Kelderman is the new Eddy Merckx").

It would be nice to have a Dutch Vanmarcke though, our country only produces climbers

Youngest i watched some sprints on youtube of theo bos on the track he was a machine lol do you think he can transfer it on to the road cuz his legs r huge?

 

[theyoungest]

Youngest i watched some sprints on youtube of theo bos on the track he was a machine lol do you think he can transfer it on to the road cuz his legs r huge?

Actually his legs weren't that huge for a track sprinter. He was already very lean, compared to Chris Hoy for example. Bos only lost a few kgs for his transfer to the road.

I still think he could really be a force in sprints on the road, it's the first time a pure sprinter from the track makes this transition so it remains interesting to follow.