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bp92 said:
Hmm... that's a good point.
(also, maybe not a coincidence, but the Val Thorens stage was actually part of the 1994 Tour)
I think the stage order might not be the best (might've been better to have a non-MTF finish after the TT instead of two very difficult MTFs), but it doesn't change the fact that the stages are brutal.

More coincidence than anything about the Val Thorens stage, I realized it after mapping it and couldn't find a good alternative that I liked using the same start and finish point. I was debating putting the ITT in Monaco but that would just make all the stages go closer together which won't help.

The thing about this week that makes it interesting though is that the riders will have to be smart about where they put their energy, some riders could go for different stages and that could very easily make things crazy pretty easily. The thing I liked about having Val Thorens and Mont du Chat back to back is that they are very different climbs which suit different riders. Val Thorens is long and irregular while Mont du Chat is steep but fairly regular. The Turini is different from both with how technical things are. Hopefully with the variety in the climbs, different riders target different days to attack and make things interesting throughout.
 
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...so good descenders will probably target Sospel and try to hold on elsewhere, climbers that are better at long and gradual climbs will target Val Thorens instead of Mont du Chat, etc.
Okay, I think I got your point now.
I would've prefered something like putting Mont du Chat earlier (it's going to be raced hard no matter what), and maybe put Barcelonnette at the end (since there's no more mountains afterwards it's more likely to see attacks than right before a long TT). But then again it might not be possible because of the geography...
 
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So, recapping my Giro:
Stage 1: Pompeii - Napoli, 26km TTT (***)
Stage 2: Mondragone - Fiumicino, 196km (*)
Stage 3: Civitavecchia - Siena, 239km (**)
Stage 4: Siena - Pisa, 150km (*)
Stage 5: Massa - Zum Zeri (Passo dei Due Santi), 161km (****)
Stage 6: Borgo Val di Taro - Vicenza, 252km (**)
Stage 7: Castelfranco Veneto - Montebelluna, 56km ITT (*****)
Stage 8: Conegliano - Sorgenti del Piave, 178km (***)
Stage 9: Tolmezzo - Brunico/Bruneck, 166km (****)
Stage 10: Brunico/Bruneck - Rettenbachferner (Austria), 151km (*****)
Rest day: Innsbruck (Austria)
Stage 11: Innsbruck (Austria) - Merano, 205km (**)
Stage 12: Bressanone/Brixen - Feltre, 238km (****)
Stage 13: Feltre - Gardaland (Castelnuovo del Garda), 175km (*)
Stage 14: Verona - Marilleva 1400, 197km (***)
Stage 15: Mezzolombardo - Tirano, 222km (*****)
Rest day: Tirano
Stage 16: Boario Terme - Val Masino, 161km (****)
Stage 17: Morbegno - Ivrea, 218km (**)
Stage 18: Ivrea - Biella, 30km ITT (****)
Stage 19: Biella - Antagnod (Val d'Ayas), 215km (*****)
Stage 20: Rivarolo Canavese - Pragelato, 149km (****)

Giro d'Italia Stage 21: Pinerolo - Torino, 129km (*)
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Climbs: Pino Torinese (5,1km @ 4,1%)

The race ends with a very short sprint stage between Pinerolo and Torino. The riders enter the city of Torino from the southeast, taking on the stage's only categorized climb along the way, before riding seven laps around a flat 9km circuit in the downtown. Last sprint, and a victory march for the winner.

And that's it for my Giro. Summing it all up:
-3498km of racing.
-112km TT (86 individual, 26 team).
-6 summit finishes (Zum Zeri, Sorgenti del Piave, Rettenbachferner, Marilleva 1400, Val Masino, Antagnod) + 1 uphill finish (Siena).
-15 cat.1 climbs (Zum Zeri, Sant'Antonio, Furcia, Monte Giovo, Rombo, Rettenbachferner, Gavia, Mortirolo, Padrio, San Marco, Saint-Barthélémy, Saint-Pantaléon, Tzecore, Moncenisio, Finestre)
-16 cat.2 climbs (Cento Croci, Brattello, Chianzutan, Sorgenti del Piave, Valparola, Pordoi, San Pellegrino, Valles, Croce d'Aune, Campo Carlo Magno, Marilleva 1400, Tonale, Zambla, Val Masino, Arlaz, Joux)
-12 cat.3 climbs
-12 cat.4 climbs

-1 team time trial (Napoli)
-2 individual time trials (Montebelluna, Biella)
-8 flat stages (Fiumicino, Siena, Pisa, Vicenza, Merano, Gardaland, Ivrea, Torino)
-5 medium mountain stages (Zum Zeri, Sorgenti del Piave, Brunico, Feltre, Marilleva 1400)
-5 high mountain stages (Rettenbachferner, Tirano, Val Masino, Antagnod, Pragelato)

Lots of flat stages (many of them with hills towards the end of the stage to spice them up, and one of them featuring sterrato sections), relatively few medium mountain stages, many of them finishing in a climb (the exceptions being Brunico and Feltre), and very hard high mountain stages. Given the many medium mountain stages finishin in hard summits, and the extreme difficulty of some of the mountain stages (like Rettenbachferner and Tirano, and Antagnod to a lesser extent), I'd say the route is biased a bit towards climbers, despite the two decent-sized individual time trials. The stages in Siena and Feltre are also very dangerous, and might lead to surprises, like someone losing time at the sterrato, or a big breakaway in a hard-to-control stage getting too much time.

So yeah, that's it for now. I'll probably take a break for now from posting new races, maybe come back with a Tour design.
 
DACH Rundfahrt stage 17: Davos - Luzern (182 km)

difficulty: **

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After a lots of hard stages the riders finally deserve another more or less easy day. That means the sprinters get another chance to shine, before the gc guys will be in action again, tomorrow.
The stage starts in Davos, a famous ski region as well as a health resort. The city lays on 1500 meters altitude, so the riders are still in the middle of the mountains. You can also see that on the profile because before the stage gets flat the riders have to go down 800 meters on a 20 kilometers long descent.
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The first climb of the stage is the Kerenzerbergpass, a 3rd category climb, which will have absolutely no impact on the stage and I only mention it for the sake of completeness. The next climb however could be more interesting. The Etzelpass isnt that famous, but this ascent is really really steep and although it isnt very long this pass could be a big problem for some sprinters. But while riders like Kittel and Cavendish will hate this climb, riders like Sagan and Degenkolb could use this to drop the sprinters which are very bad climbers if there team sets a very high pace. Ofc some riders could also try to attack here, but there is still a long way to go so I doubt such an attack could be successful. On the other hand this might be a reason for some sprint teams, because they don't think their sprinter can be successful so the other sprint teams have a much harder job and the break might have a chance.
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Shortly after the climb there is an intermediate sprint in Einsiedeln. The rest of the stage is very easy again, and on the way to Luzern there is only a descent which interrupts this flat section. The finish is in Luzern, a beautiful city on the Vierwaldstättersee, one of the biggest lakes in Switzerland.
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bp92 said:
...so good descenders will probably target Sospel and try to hold on elsewhere, climbers that are better at long and gradual climbs will target Val Thorens instead of Mont du Chat, etc.
Okay, I think I got your point now.
I would've prefered something like putting Mont du Chat earlier (it's going to be raced hard no matter what), and maybe put Barcelonnette at the end (since there's no more mountains afterwards it's more likely to see attacks than right before a long TT). But then again it might not be possible because of the geography...

Yeah that is what I was going for when I put it together.

I'd love to try to do that but the geography makes that impossible as the first 2 are in the Nice area and the past 2 stages are much further north. I guess I could always try to have it in the opposite direction but that would mean I would have to change the direction of the stages which would be change too much anyways to be worth it.
 
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52520Andrew said:
As fun a stage as that would be, the main problem by making the stage tougher would be that it would kill the previous stages as riders would save their energy.

I completely understand and agree. I was just giving a suggestion to complement the alternative through Chaussy mentionned previously.

But overall, the balance of the route & the necessity not to force the riders to softpedal should take precedence on systematically adding tough climbs in stage. ;)


Regarding your Mont du Chat stage, I like the idea of having Golet de la Biche, Grand Colombier & Mont du Chat in one stage.
Sadly geography is not cooperative enough to have all three in close succession :(

(And as much as I like the idea of having a MTF atop Mont du Chat, I'm far from sure it's logistically possible - there's not much room up there IIRC)
 
Broken_Leg said:
52520Andrew said:
As fun a stage as that would be, the main problem by making the stage tougher would be that it would kill the previous stages as riders would save their energy.

I completely understand and agree. I was just giving a suggestion to complement the alternative through Chaussy mentionned previously.

But overall, the balance of the route & the necessity not to force the riders to softpedal should take precedence on systematically adding tough climbs in stage. ;)


Regarding your Mont du Chat stage, I like the idea of having Golet de la Biche, Grand Colombier & Mont du Chat in one stage.
Sadly geography is not cooperative enough to have all three in close succession :(

(And as much as I like the idea of having a MTF atop Mont du Chat, I'm far from sure it's logistically possible - there's not much room up there IIRC)

Yeah that alternate stage could be deadly if placed properly.

Yeah that geography kinda stinks, in that kinda stage you would have to hope the Colombier blows things open enough where it doesn't matter but the riders could just save their energy till the final climb. At least there is a rest day the next day to try to open things up more but it depends. Either way, still beats what we got for the Colombier stage this year though(but at least this one beats the 2012 one).

As for Mont du Chat, it would definitely be close, if not then I would just go around and hit it from the west with a downhill finish. They do manage to host a MTF on Ventoux at the same time so that is my thought process there. I don't know all the logistics of hosting a MTF in that type of situation though either besides that they need space for all the cars and the general post race stuff.
 
Good stages everyone. After a little break, due to computers not working, I am back and ready to post the next instalment of the Deutschland Tour:

Deutschland Tour Stage 7: Fulda - Wiesbaden (177km) (Fri)

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Climbs:
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Sprints:
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Feed Zone:
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After yesterday's sprint stage, the riders are preparing for the second weekend of the race. As all weekends that don't include the first one should be, they are GC stages. And so to get them back into the swing of hilly/mountain stages, I have cobbled(no cobbles on the road though :D ) together this stage for the friday afternoon.

We start in Fulda, where we finished yesterday. Heading south west we avoid the mountains to the east, as they would make the stage to long. Once over a few lumps and bumps, we have the feed zone at Ronneburg, which is home to a Schloß. We continue on, but head west to the first prime at Bad Homberg. This is where the stage will get interesting. The next prime is at Konigstein im Taunus. But to get there, they will have to tackle the Mammolshainer Berginto the town. That is the climb but in the opposite direction, however it will give you an idea of the climb. The climb is part of a bigger climb, that comes in the form of the Großer Feldberg. The first part of the climb to K.I.T is reasonably steep But the rest is easier. They will descend this and then ride up the Kittelhütte. If the namesake, Marcel Kittel, rode this race, he'd be out the back already so wouldn't be seen by the cameras on the similarly named climb. Off they head to the Nauroderberg which will have a few lumps proceeding it. Then a descent follows to the finish in Wiesbaden.

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52520Andrew said:
Broken_Leg said:
52520Andrew said:
As fun a stage as that would be, the main problem by making the stage tougher would be that it would kill the previous stages as riders would save their energy.

I completely understand and agree. I was just giving a suggestion to complement the alternative through Chaussy mentionned previously.

But overall, the balance of the route & the necessity not to force the riders to softpedal should take precedence on systematically adding tough climbs in stage. ;)


Regarding your Mont du Chat stage, I like the idea of having Golet de la Biche, Grand Colombier & Mont du Chat in one stage.
Sadly geography is not cooperative enough to have all three in close succession :(

(And as much as I like the idea of having a MTF atop Mont du Chat, I'm far from sure it's logistically possible - there's not much room up there IIRC)

Yeah that alternate stage could be deadly if placed properly.

Yeah that geography kinda stinks, in that kinda stage you would have to hope the Colombier blows things open enough where it doesn't matter but the riders could just save their energy till the final climb. At least there is a rest day the next day to try to open things up more but it depends. Either way, still beats what we got for the Colombier stage this year though(but at least this one beats the 2012 one).

Chances of something happening before Chat is close to 0%. The MTF is just too hard and any long range attacker will have enormously difficult time to fight for any gaps on Chat. The only way it would maybe work is when after Colombier there is like only favourites group and some gap to their gregarios. The examples of such scenarios with hard MTFs are '14 Giro de Gendt and '11 Tour Schleck. They managed to get proper gaps thanks to no cooperation in the favourite's group but still lost around 2-3min on the last kms of the MTF. On the finish line they were ahead of the favourites by around 2min and did achieve something - de Gendt won the podium place, Schleck malliot jeune befor blewing up thanks to him being him. You need balls for such attacks and most of the time ballsy riders are way below have just too many time to close - Contador '11 Tour, Evans '12 Tour, Rolland '14 Giro, Hesjedal and Krujiswijk '15 Giro, Frenchies '15 Tour.

I think that better would be just to treat Colombier (and Umbrailpass in the stage before) just as a presence on the map. It's like with infantry in a strategy game. They might be a meat shield but they are quite fine placeholders (controlling) for their cheap price and enemy must get rid of them to claim a control of the area. You will of course loose the infantry unit but it will earn you time to organize a counter and will most propably claim some cost-efficient trades on it's own. Summarising, Colombier and Umbrail won't provide any real threat attacks but thanks to their difficulty their presence on the stage is unquestionable. It will leave some impact in lad's legs that will call on the stage later.
 
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The fact that favourites will stay together before the Mont du Chat is true, but like you said, there is also the attrition and the fatigue to consider.
Especially with the steep climbs, the smallest acceleration will still do some damage in the peloton and several teammates will be gone.

Both Umbrailpass and the Grand Colombier fit that profile, sure, they wont be decisive.
But they will be a huge factor regardless of their position in the stage because they're hard enough.

In 2012, you had the Alps the following day, and the Grand Colombier was as far as 45km from the finish, with Richemond (cat.3) behind it. Basically, it was as non-decisive as possible.
It was still tough enough to have a main group reduced to about 25 guys.

You wont have long range attacks from the Grand-Colombier, but it leaves the race and the next climbs very much open with almost no support for the leaders.
That kind of climb is there to get rid of teammates and to tire everyone. No hiding possible there.
Which is, i believe, a very good thing.

Sure they can and should be decisive if the finish is somewhere else, but as long as the design of the stage got some logic, i dont think its a problem if they're not. Here, you'll necessarily end up with some riders in an uncomfortable position and problems that can escalate quite quickly with the absence of support.

I can understand that this is giving the "illusion" that the route is mountain-heavy, but how many climbs are actually really raced on seriously ?
The current move to shorter mountain stages by ASO (i disagree with it) is trying to answer to the same problem, increasing that number in order to make it more difficult for the leader.
 
Yeah it will be tough for anyone to attack before that final climb, I tried to make it about as hard as I could between the Colombier and the Mont du Chat but the terrain is not all that great between the 2. I'd still say the Colombier will have an effect though as going at 18% over 400m is gonna wear you down later in the stage. The Mont du Chat is a bit of a difficult climb to get to without too much flat in any direction kinda similar to the Alpe in that regard. It is one of those climbs though that could be electric all on its own, I'd love the tour to at least use it(heck even the Dauphine). Sorry the stage is late today, should be posted here shortly
 
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Stage 16: Chambery - Valence 159 km

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This next stage is going to be a bit experimental. I hate to use these climbs like this in a stage and have them only to do this but if I make another tour, I will make sure to get a stage where these climbs can be a bit more decisive. My main objectives are to get closer to the Pyrenees and to keep the GC from recovering too much while making a fairly easy stage here. The first part of this stage is not near easy though as you can tell. We start with the Granier before hitting the Cucheron and the Porte and right at the start, hopefully this makes for a strong breakaway. Then we hit the Cote Malliet and hopefully these climbs give the break a good lead as I am sure they will be going for this stage.

Their competition in this one will be the sprinters teams and they won't get much if any help from the GC focused teams. The sprinters teams will also have to nurse the sprinters back into the peleton and make sure they can hold up okay although they may want to distance any sprinter that falls behind.

Hopefully this evolves into a chase over the final kms as the break tries to hold off the sprinters teams who probably aren't getting much help. While doing this, the GC men have to take these climbs which will continue to weigh on their tired legs and then keep up with the chase.

Basically though, this is the sort of stage that I can't lose on as it is a transitional stage anyways and will not see any GC action. If the break takes it easily then it won't matter all that much and the same goes for the sprinters if they catch the break 50 km from the finish.

We get a pretty nice straight for the finish today in the event the sprinters catch up on the Avenue de Verdun next to the Parc des Expositions in Valence. Should be enough room for the post race and any parking without disrupting too much.

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Would post a better image but I could not find a good one so this should tell you where it is at least.

There is a decent sized transfer after the stage to Montelimar for the next stage which will be another fairly easy one but will have a couple different things that could potentially change that.
 
Here is the profile of the Val Thorens stage using the climbs that we came up with and moving the start to Le Bourg-d'Oisans. My second week is rough enough as is of course but this looks like one crazy stage

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Stage 17: La Bañeza - Salamanca, 177km

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After the difficult mountain stage to Ancáres yesterday, we have a rare flat stage. The pure sprinter has only had a handful of chances in this race (Albacete in stage 4, Vilanova i la Geltrú in stage 7, León in stage 13 and this); more durable sprinters may have had a chance in a few others (Córdoba in stage 2, Pamplona in stage 10, to a lesser extent Cuevas de Altamira in stage 12) but where they have made it to the end in those stages they'll deserve the chance to duke it out. We cross the Ponferrada area and move back onto the Castilian plateau.

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The stage begins in La Bañeza, a relatively small town in the northwestern corner of León, with a famous motorcycle race and an even more famous carnival; it proceeds via the historic city of Zamora to the legendary university city of Salamanca, with its UNESCO-inscribed city centre and the fourth oldest university in Europe.

Not a great deal happens in between, lest it affect the previous day's racing. This is arguably the sprinters' final opportunity, so the break is probably doomed.

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Tour de Suisse stage 1: Basel-Basel Prologue; 7km
Now that I've finished an important paper I'll post my next race. I've never designed a Tour de Suisse, this is the first time that I've treid to create a stage race on Swiss soil.
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The race starts in Basel with a classic prologue as stage on, after all we're in Switzerland.
My TdS starts near the Stadion Schützenmatte, aTrack and Field stadium in Basel that used to be the home ground of the FC Basel during the construction of the St. Jakob-Park between 1998 and 2001.
The riders will ride across the Johanniterbrücke in the old town of Basel, I'd like to use the stunning Mittlere Brücke, but the Tram lines are a bit problematic.
The stage finished in front of the 2nd big train station of the city, the Basel Badischer Bahnhof.
It's a pretty normal prologue, flat, not too technical and rather conservative, but in my humble opinin it's a great way to start a stage race.
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Stage 18: Salamanca - Monastério de San Jerónimo de Yuste, 171km

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GPM:
Puerto del Rabanillo (cat.2) 9,0km @ 5,0%
Alto de Barrado (cat.2) 5,0km @ 7,3%
Monastério de San Jerónimo de Yuste (cat.3) 1,8km @ 6,2%

Immediately following yesterday's sprint stage, there is zero transfer and the riders instead stay in Salamanca overnight before the 18th stage, which takes us from Castilla y León into Extremadura, the penultimate new Comunidad that the race visits; Murcía and La Rioja are the only ones on mainland Spain that the race doesn't visit, in fact. Extremadura is one of the less densely populated parts of the country, and as a result features comparatively rarely in the race routes, and frequently only in passing. The last stage finish in the region was a 2013 flat stage in Cáceres won by Michael Mørkov; before that it featured on the 2006 route (though a 2011 flat stage passed through the easternmost parts of the area) with two sprint stage finishes (won by Fran Ventoso and Erik Zabel) and the main body of a mountain stage which finished at La Covatilla in the Sierra de Béjar.

In fact, that has frequently been the lot of the mountains that Extremadura has to offer - serving as the warmup climbs for a finish in Castilla y León. Today, however, we are doing the reverse, starting on the high plateau in Salamanca, and descending through the popular ecotourism spot that is the Valle del Jerte, which forms the boundary between the Sierra de Béjar and the larger Sierra de Gredos, before undertaking some of the smaller climbs in the latter range. After the initial part of the stage is simply rolling as we head past towns like El Barco de Ávila, the riders descend through the summit of the Puerto de Tornavacas (which is absolutely not categorization-worthy from the north, since it basically forms the edge of the plateau with no real ascent, even compared to similarly-styled passes like Ventana south and Somiedo south), with spectacular views of the Valle del Jerte below.

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The riders then descend from Tornavacas into the first intermediate sprint in the town of Jerte. The road is fairly straightforward and the descent is far from the most technical, and is wide enough to prevent too much hassle for the péloton.

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This stage is likely to be one for the break, as with the last few stages in the run for home to come, few riders are likely to make a bid for glory far from home on this stage. It is for this reason that I chose the run-in climbs that I did. A more conventional approach when finishing at Yuste as I am would be to go via the cat.1 Puerto del Piornal. However, from this side I am afraid that it would not produce much in the way of racing, being nearly 17km long but mostly a very consistent 5%; the max slope is only 8% and in order to finish with the final ramps in Yuste I would need to descend via Jaraíz de la Vera, meaning it would be no closer to the finish than Barrado is in the stage design. The choice of Barrado also means we get a double-stepped ascent which essentially consists of two cat.2 climbs (hence I have categorized them as such) - firstly the relatively narrow but gradient-wise unthreatening Puerto del Rabanillo, and then the more dangerous Alto del Barrado, with a maximum gradient of 14% and a final kilometre at over 8%.

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Cresting 23km from the line, if the breakaway does take this one, you can expect this to be where it starts to collapse upon itself as anybody with aspirations of the stage win but not willing to take their chances in a puncheur standoff will need to take flight. The occasional steep ramps will serve as a platform for these attacks, with even the occasional stretch on the central section, which attaches the EX-313 in Barrado with the CC-139 from Piornal, on hormigón, which will aid attackers of course.

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The descent into Jaraíz de la Vera, famous for the Lago de Jaraíz, is mostly fairly gradual and on widish roads, though there are a couple of technical tests. Jaraíz comes in the midst of downhill false flat and at just 8km from the line, hosting the intermediate sprint. There is then a brief repecho to climb out of the valley as the riders pass the Lago and head into Cuacos de Yuste, before turning left back towards the Puerto del Piornal to take on the final, 3rd category (if it weren't the finish it probably wouldn't be categorized) ascent to the Monastério de Yuste, a monastery in this otherwise quiet area of the Sistema Central with a chequered and interesting history which includes being immortalized by Giuseppe Verdi and restored by Francisco Franco.

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As puncheur finishes go, it's not the most threatening; the last 800m average slightly under 5%, while the first kilometre has a max of only 9%. It's perhaps more aimed at the Gilberts of this world than our earlier puncheur finish at Valdepeñas de Jaén; it's more Cauberg than Mur de Huy. The likes of Michael Matthews, if he can get over the two earlier climbs, would also consider this a good day for him if the break is reeled in. The presence of a puncheur finish means that even though they may come to the finish several minutes after the leaders on the day, the heads of state will have to devote some energy to ensuring they don't lose any time here, but they'll want to be careful because the next two days are serious stuff.

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Mayomaniac said:
Tour de Suisse stage 1: Bern-Bern Prologue; 7km
Now that I've finished an important paper I'll post my next race. I've never designed a Tour de Suisse, this is the first time that I've treid to create a stage race on Swiss soil.
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You start in Bern apparently, when everything on the map says Basel and the place looks like a map of Basel.
 
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lemon cheese cake said:
Mayomaniac said:
Tour de Suisse stage 1: Bern-Bern Prologue; 7km
Now that I've finished an important paper I'll post my next race. I've never designed a Tour de Suisse, this is the first time that I've treid to create a stage race on Swiss soil.
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You start in Bern apparently, when everything on the map says Basel and the place looks like a map of Basel.
Oh dear, WTF was I thinking? :eek:
Sorry, it should have been Basel, the final stage of my TdS will finish in Bern. :eek:
 
Stage 17

Stage 17: Montelimar - Le Cap dAgde 222.8 km

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Another flat stage(for the most part) welcomes the riders today as we continue to head closer to the Pyrenees. It is not without it's challenges however as the final part of the stage will be along the coast and the wind could certainly play a factor if we get some. We also climb Mont Saint Clair which averages over 10% for 1.6 km and could provide a bit of spice to the action if the wind doesn't cooperate.

This is an ending that has been done before(2012 Tour) but that turned out to be a fun stage and it is right on the way for us(and we already hit the Massif Central) so it beats a flat run in to some city. The GC men will not be worked too hard today but will have to remain alert and Mont Saint Clair keeps the legs hurting.

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There is a pretty hefty transfer today over to Carcassonne but most of it is along the highway so it should be fairly quick. This puts us in position to get started on the Pyrenees tomorrow.
 
Stage 18 Carcassonne - Guzet Neige - Prat Mataou 165.2 km

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It is time for our first stage in the Pyrenees as we get into the third week of this race. This one won't be too hard but we do get to finish in a location that has not seen the tour since 1995 in Guzet Neige. The stage starts off flat as we go closer to the Pyrenees and things won't be too bad for the riders through here.

The first climb of the day is the Col de Peguere which is a fairly shallow climb for the riders, there was another road I was looking at that was steeper but it was a bit narrow for the first climb of the day. The descent for the climb is steep and the roads are a bit narrow which should be interesting but hopefully by then the riders are a bit more spread out and I don't see them hammering it down the descent with 2 climbs to go still.

Our next climb is the Col d'Agnes, another first category climb which should wear the riders down for the final showdown. It has been used a decent amount having last seen the Tour in 2011 but we climbed the other side that year on the way over the Port de Lers and eventually Plateau de Beille. It is a bit irregular which should make it an interesting one if the riders hit it hard.

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Once we descend the Agnes, we are onto the final climb, a 2 stepped one up to Prat Mataou above Guzet Neige. The climb itself is not too hard with the biggest feature being the descent in the middle as we pass over the Col de Latrape. It should be a fun one though as GC men try to claw back time on the leader.

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We have a decent sized transfer after the stage over to Saint Gaudens for more climbing to come in the next stage.
 
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Stage 2: Basel - Brugg; 145km
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The first road stage is a short one for the sprinters, but we still have a few climbs.
The first 50km of the stage are just false flat, then the first climb of the day, Oberer Hauenstein, starts.
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After the following descent we have 10km of false flat, then the 2nd climb, Unterer Hauenstein, starts.
The next 2 climbs, Saalhöhe from Northwest and Staffelegg are a little bit steeper, but they still shouldn't be a huge problem for anyone not named Guardini or Kittel.
The final 15km after the Staffelegg descent are rolling, so attackers should have a chance, even if it's just a small one.
The stage finishes in Brugg, a small town known for its medieval district and the Habsburg, the originating seat of the House of Habsburg.
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Now that Mayo has started his Tour de Suisse I should probably continue with my race so he cannot use the same climbs as I do before me :D ;)

DACH Rundfahrt stage 18: Brienz - Thun (41 km ITT)

difficulty: ****

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On stage 17 the gc contenders had a little rest, so its time to start with the 3 days which will decide the DACH Rundfahrt. However this isnt a mountain stage, but the last ITT of the race. That means that the TT specialist have a third reason to ride this race, and that pure climbers should better do something in the mountains because with almost 100 TT kilometers.
The stage starts in Brienz, on the coast of the Brienzersee.
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The Brienzersee is a lake located beautifully in the middle of the mountains. Generally this region is absolutely beautiful, as most parts of Switzerland. The riders will ride along the coast, which means we would see some great camera shots. After about 15 km's the riders leave the coast and ride through Interlaken where the first split time will be taken. Interlaken is a city which is located between the Brienzersee and the Thunersee, so this town basically combines the beauty of the starting and the finishing town ;). Well actually Interlaken isnt that beautiful, compared to Brienz or Thun, but its location is still breathtaking.
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As you might already have guessed it, the riders will still ride along the coast of a lake, after Interlaken, just that this time its the coast of the Thunersee. There isnt really a big difference between these two lakes in terms of scenery because they are only a few meters away of each other, and there is even a stream connecting the two lakes. After 31.5 km's the riders drive through the little village Gunten, where the second split time will be taken.
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The finish is in Thun, a city which is located on the Thunersee...yeah...what a surprise. The city is absolutely beautiful (another huge surprise ;) ) especially because of the center of the town which is partly located on a little island on the river Aare. The finish is on the Rathausplatz, only a few meters away from the Schloss Thun, a very scenic castle
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This stage will be extremely important for the final gc. Its possible that a pure climber already has an advantage on a very good TT'er, before this stage, but this day has the potential to turn around the whole gc once again. Whatever happens, after this stage we will know with which time gaps the riders go into the last two mountain stages. That means if the climbers have still searched for a reason why to attack, here it is. And if the strongest climber is already in front the next two stages are definitely hard enough to still bring him into difficulties.
 

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