Race Design Thread

[lemon cheese cake]

I deleted my route as I thought the cut off date was the 25 Febuary not March.

 

[Burkni]

Re:

Send me your routes!! Please.

Hi Lupetto ... I'm new here, so what format and what channel do you prefer?
(.doc, .pdf, email, PM ... ?)

 

[lemon cheese cake]

Re: Re:

Send me your routes!! Please.

Hi Lupetto ... I'm new here, so what format and what channel do you prefer?
(.doc, .pdf, email, PM ... ?)

Welcome.

I would also want to know, can we send a .doc or .pdf in an attachment in a PM?

 

[TMP402]

Is there any way of bringing this thread back to life or has the amazing improved update really killed it?

 

[rghysens]

Re:

Is there any way of bringing this thread back to life or has the amazing improved update really killed it?

There have been periods before with little to no activity in this thread. Don't worry. Yet.
And feel free to contribute.

 

[lemon cheese cake]

Re: Re:

Is there any way of bringing this thread back to life or has the amazing improved update really killed it?

There have been periods before with little to no activity in this thread. Don't worry. Yet.
And feel free to contribute.

I PMed Libertine about whether we could start posting again, and she said leave it for while. Ive routes stacking up now but am not posting them as A: You camt have more than five URLs in general and like This. B: Its going to be a hard task for Libertine to go through all the routes putting them in libaries with it being harder if we post away now.

 

[TMP402]

Re: Re:

Is there any way of bringing this thread back to life or has the amazing improved update really killed it?

There have been periods before with little to no activity in this thread. Don't worry. Yet.
And feel free to contribute.

I PMed Libertine about whether we could start posting again, and she said leave it for while. Ive routes stacking up now but am not posting them as A: You camt have more than five URLs in general and like This. B: Its going to be a hard task for Libertine to go through all the routes putting them in libaries with it being harder if we post away now.

Thanks. I'll commit any designs to Word for the moment.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yes, I'm afraid at the moment it's a mess. I can't seem to find a way to post links to posts as URLs as in the previous library posts (i.e. links to "Stage 1", "stage 2", "stage 3" etc. with each being a hotlink), and with only 5 URLs currently allowed per post that would entail literally dozens of library posts just to cover single races where a week-long stage race or GT has been designed. And I wouldn't be able to archive it all to the first post in the thread like before either as that itself could only contain 5 links so unless you had some ridiculously convoluted way where you'd have to select the link from the choice of 5 to the depth of about 8 levels to get to a single stage of a stage race I wouldn't be able to library it in as convenient or helpful a way as before to enable an individual stage of a design to be found quickly.

I do not wish to abandon the thread and as soon as the forum is functioning in such a way that I can actually mend those links, we can look at getting it back on track. But I'm really not looking forward to having to manually go back through each post from four years of the thread and mending each and every individual link, often in library posts that are buried within the bowels of the thread, when there are over 3000 posts now. Keeping track of the libraries of the thread was sometimes a difficult enough task when everything was convenient and easy to combine, so doing so whilst also taking on new posts in the current format does not fill me with enthusiasm.

But until then, I beg you patience; like many of you I have a great many courses I'd love to be able to share, but I'm also wary of getting inundated once the forum is capable of handling the thread again.

 

[TMP402]

Does anyone else have trouble logging into openrunner.com? Every time I attempt to log in, nothing happens, and then I can't open it in another tab, unless I delete the cookies associated with openrunner, in which case the same thing just happens over again.

 

[lemon cheese cake]

Re:

Does anyone else have trouble logging into openrunner.com? Every time I attempt to log in, nothing happens, and then I can't open it in another tab, unless I delete the cookies associated with openrunner, in which case the same thing just happens over again.

They seem to now have advertising, which means when I drag the map, I always click on the advertisment taking me to another site (usually Decathlon France).

 

[Gigs_98]

I can't believe that one of the most popular if not the most popular thread of this forum seems to be dead

 

[rghysens]

I can't believe that one of the most popular if not the most popular thread of this forum seems to be dead

It's not dead. It's resting.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I'm trying to work out what to do about it. At the end of the day, one thing is clear: the libraries are broken, and are not going to be fixed.

I'm toying with the idea of making a single Word or Excel file that catalogues all of the races, so instead of having the complex network of libraries (which would become way more complex with the whole 5-links-per-post limit) having a link to a mediafire download or something of that in the first page of the thread, and then updating it monthly with the new additions instead of doing all updates as-they-were-posted as I was doing before.

This would make the first post in the thread much less complex and still include the full libraries, making the thread usable again (except for the only-5-URLs limitation being a bit frustrating), however obviously that the nice and orderly fashion that the libraries kept the posts in means it's going to mean trawling through a lot of posts. On the plus side, doing it to a Word or Excel spreadsheet means I can do it all to one document and therefore do it in one read-through of the thread rather than several as was going to be needed to rebuild the library posts.

Or I could do it as a .pdf and surreptitiously add posts to it like the UCI's suspensions document

 

[lemon cheese cake]

I'm trying to work out what to do about it. At the end of the day, one thing is clear: the libraries are broken, and are not going to be fixed.

I'm toying with the idea of making a single Word or Excel file that catalogues all of the races, so instead of having the complex network of libraries (which would become way more complex with the whole 5-links-per-post limit) having a link to a mediafire download or something of that in the first page of the thread, and then updating it monthly with the new additions instead of doing all updates as-they-were-posted as I was doing before.

This would make the first post in the thread much less complex and still include the full libraries, making the thread usable again (except for the only-5-URLs limitation being a bit frustrating), however obviously that the nice and orderly fashion that the libraries kept the posts in means it's going to mean trawling through a lot of posts. On the plus side, doing it to a Word or Excel spreadsheet means I can do it all to one document and therefore do it in one read-through of the thread rather than several as was going to be needed to rebuild the library posts.

Or I could do it as a .pdf and surreptitiously add posts to it like the UCI's suspensions document

If you look at what one of the development people have said in the "What happened to the forum" thread, you might not have to do it in a word/excel/pdf document. They are looking at ways to do single post view. Plus its now 10 URLs per post. Still not near enough to what you need, but getting closer.

Once the thread is fixed, I shall work through the back log of races I've got. From those I will start with the Ronde van Nederland.

 

[Eshnar]

Re:

I'm trying to work out what to do about it. At the end of the day, one thing is clear: the libraries are broken, and are not going to be fixed.

I'm toying with the idea of making a single Word or Excel file that catalogues all of the races, so instead of having the complex network of libraries (which would become way more complex with the whole 5-links-per-post limit) having a link to a mediafire download or something of that in the first page of the thread, and then updating it monthly with the new additions instead of doing all updates as-they-were-posted as I was doing before.

This would make the first post in the thread much less complex and still include the full libraries, making the thread usable again (except for the only-5-URLs limitation being a bit frustrating), however obviously that the nice and orderly fashion that the libraries kept the posts in means it's going to mean trawling through a lot of posts. On the plus side, doing it to a Word or Excel spreadsheet means I can do it all to one document and therefore do it in one read-through of the thread rather than several as was going to be needed to rebuild the library posts.

Or I could do it as a .pdf and surreptitiously add posts to it like the UCI's suspensions document

I hope the thread recovers soon as possible We won't let it die.
And once it's fully ok I'll launch my challenge to you all [I had it planned since quite a long time, but the forum revolution delayed it]

 

[Gigs_98]

I would like to post a fictional one day race I designed but I don't know if I should post it or if I should wait until everything is fixed

 

[May0maniac]

Great news, I've designed a few nice races that I'd like to post.

 

[Gigs_98]

I have a problem with openrunner. When I create a route that goes over a pass which connects two different countries the route doesn't follow the street anymore and goes straight from one point I made to the next one. Is there anyone else who has this problem or is it only me

 

[lemon cheese cake]

I have a problem with openrunner. When I create a route that goes over a pass which connects two different countries the route doesn't follow the street anymore and goes straight from one point I made to the next one. Is there anyone else who has this problem or is it only me

I have it aswell. For me its when I have too many plotted points. A way to avoid it is plotting every turn and straight manually. This does take a long time, but is worth it if your designing a toute like a classic in Belgium or the Netherlands. Another advantage is one way streets in a built up area you can go down one way streets the wrong wrong way.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

You can leave most of it plotting normally, just right click your plotted point before the part causing you trouble, and it should turn yellow. This means when you put your next point in, it will go directly rather than follow roads. If it's just the border crossing causing trouble, you should only need to do this at the border itself, then you can plot normally afterward. The same applies for one-way streets as lemon cheese cake notes.

 

[Gigs_98]

Still doesn't work

 

[lemon cheese cake]

Re:

You can leave most of it plotting normally, just right click your plotted point before the part causing you trouble, and it should turn yellow. This means when you put your next point in, it will go directly rather than follow roads. If it's just the border crossing causing trouble, you should only need to do this at the border itself, then you can plot normally afterward. The same applies for one-way streets as lemon cheese cake notes.

I didnt realise you could do that.

Still doesn't work

You might have to do it fully in manually then.

 

[Progsprach]

Hey, I still exist. And that huge project I was working on like years ago actually somehow was finished in an extremely dragging pace, even if some concession had to be made. What I tried to do was making was a complete scheduie + races for an alternative UCI World Tour, which was distributed more evenly geographically, which went decently except for cobbles races because I have terrible knowledge of cobbled sections, so I had to introduce some placeholder races there (neccessary because I wanted to use this ingame and it wouldn't do to have nothing for cobbles specialists). Of course, the dates are all still based on the calender of some old year, but hey that's what happens, when you leave things lying around for too long. I'll post the schedule here first (If you remember me, you'll know it ended up hopelessly overloaded) and then hopefully show some of the more interesting races here.
11.-15. Jan Nelson-Christchurch (puncher's stage race)
16.-21. Jan Vuelta a San Miguel de Tucuman (hilly stage race with an MTT)
22.-28. Jan Canberra-Melbourne (hills riders vs TTers)
1. Feb Kuala Lumpur Road Classic (battle between sprinters and hills riders)
3. Feb - 7.Feb Tour of Tunesia (puncheurs stages and short TT)
9. Feb Port Elizabeth Race (coastal classic with possibility of echelons)
12.Feb Tasmanian Hobart Loop (rather difficult Worlds style race)
13.Feb-22.Feb Jitensharyokou no Nihon (mini Grand Tour)
24.Feb-3.Mar Historic Race of Culture (from Greece to Turkey, mostly hilly stages)
5-Mar-10.Mar Boston-New York (mostly coastal flats with a puncher's stage and a prologue style TT)
12.Mar Cobblestriple (semi-placeholder: just a very long classic containing the most iconic difficulties of the Cobblestriple-races twice each, 1st monument)
14.Mar Ardennestriple(see above for the Ardennestriple-races, 2nd monument)
17.Mar Irish Reconcilation Race (Classic from Belfast to Dublin, a little like Milan-San Remo, 3rd monument)
18.Mar-24.Mar Tour de Benelux (weird mix of a time trialing, hills and cobbles (my cobble stage design is terrible and mostly consists of riding well-known sections too often))
25.Mar-29.Mar Niedersachsenrundfahrt (the one I designed here already)
1.Apr Classique de la Arenberg (another placeholder race, It's mostly just a circuit containing the Arenberg cobbles)
5.Apr GP Carrefour de'l arbre (same thing for another famous section)
7.Apr-15.Apr Von Bern nach Wien (Alps stage race)
17.Apr Himalayan Classic Of India (exactly what it sounds like, a mountains classic)
18.Apr-25.Apr Tour of Britain (hilltop finishes and a TT)
26.Apr Etna Cycle Challenge (mountain classic, 4th monument)
29.Apr Seattle Classic (hilly classic, 5th monument)
3.May Ronde van Kemmelberg (you know the schtick by now)
5.May-27.May Giro d'Italia (the one I posted here already. the most balanced GT)
30.May Namibian Orange River TTT (the World Tour TTT is back, on a course with at least one decent hill)
1.June-15.June Deutschlandrundfahrt (the first of two two-week races in the plan, this one is more rouleur-friendly)
17.June Ciudad Victoria - San Antonio (mountain classic)
21.June Time Trial Challenge of Goeteborg (single day ITT, a little hilly)
22.June-25.June Tour d'Algerie (short tour with only hilly stages (including the TT))
30.June-22.July Tour d'France (my variant, the most rouleur friendly GT)
23.June Vattenfall Cyclasics (the variant I posted already)
24.June - 30.June Tour of Taiwan (rather mountanous short stagerace)
29.June Tour dookola Warszawa (hilly classic)
1. August - 15.August Tour of the United States of America (the second two-week tour, the more mountainous of them(also a transfer nightmare)
18.August- 9.September (my variant, the climber's GT (includes Veleta))
11. September -18. September Tour of Eastern Europe (mix of flat and hilly stages)
19. September / 23.September World ITT/Road Champs (pretty difficult routes on Crete)
24.September- 2.October Vuelta a Islas Canarias (extremely hard mountain stage race)
4.October Wellington GP (already posted here)
6.October - 8.October Montreal - Quebec (easy stage races probably settled by time bonuses for the tough sprinters)
10. October - 14. October Tour of Beijing (my variant already posted here)
16. October Hongkong Peak Circuit (World Style Race with an average-difficulty circuit)
I'll probably start by posting my two missing Grand Tour Variants, if there is any specific race that interests you, please ask for it, it's hard to select out of hundreds of stages.

 

[Progsprach]

Monaco - Nice (200km)
Well, this technically counts as a foreign start for Le Tour. Starting here gives much more interesting opportunities for the first week and so in this stage we tackle the ascents to Castillon(9,8km@6,6%,cat2) and Luceram (7km@7,1%,cat3) as well as the final steep segment to the Col de'l Olme (3,7km@9,9%,cat3) before the sprint in Nizza. The Col de Vence is the last major obstacle (10,1km@6,6%,cat2) before the finish, again in Nizza, which does include a small kick of about a Km at 10% about 4km before the finish.

 

[Progsprach]

Nizza - Cagnes-sur-Mer ITT (19km)
The first of quite a few time trials in this rouleur-oriented tour. At the first time check in Ginestere the climbers should aim to be in a good position because two of the three climbing parts which are about a km long each with about 6-8% will have already been ridden. After that the road slopes gently downward and at the second time check at St-Laurent-du-Var it is already very flat. After these first two stages one would already expect some nontrivial gaps in the GC.