Race Design Thread

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vedrafjord said:
That Cronoescalada site looks great. I'm going to make a stab at a five day Tour of Dublin. I was excited when it was announced that the Giro was coming here but disappointed with the final route that went through a couple of anonymous suburbs and run down docklands, although obviously the Nordies put up most of the money so they got the showcase. It will also bring to mind memories of the 80's heyday of the Nissan Classic, but based in one city with plenty of nice hotels as is popular for races like the TDU etc these days.

The stages will be:
1. an urban time trial to introduce the riders, like the 1998 TdF prologue but a little longer to create gaps big enough to force the climbers to attack.
2. a flat stage designed to maximise echelons by staying perpendicular to our prevailing westerly winds.
3. a stage with a cobbled finishing circuit of 5 x 10km using the cobbles of Smithfield, Christchurch, Temple Bar, etc, and a short, steep classics style climb.
4. a mountain top finish (don't laugh) on the Cat 1 Kippure summit.
5. a long stage in the Wicklow mountains with as many Cat 2 climbs as I can fit in and almost no flat sections except the last couple of km which will finish in the Sundrive concrete velodrome because a) I'm ripping off Paris Roubaix and b) people will laugh when they see it's in Kimmage.

How do you get in to the velodrome? Its in the middle of a park with access from a narrow footpath only.
 
I wish there would be something like a mountain world championship. The route changes every year and would be a massive mountain stage (maybe so harder than possible at a grand tour)

For example:
Albertville-Col de la Madeleine-Col de la Croix de Fer-Col du Telegraph-Col du Galibier-Col de Granon
 
That looks gooooooood!

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Yes that looks good!
Not a bad idea, i think this is the right moment to post a stage that I've designed a few months ago, it could be too hard for a GT but as a one day race it would be fine:D
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Bonette from Jausiers; 24 km at 6,6%
Col de la Lombarde; 20km at 7,4%
Fauniera; 24km at 7%
Colle di Sampeyre; 15,8km at 8,7%
Agnello from Sampeyre; 31,2km at 5,9% with the last 9km at 10%
The final climb up to Saint Veran is 3,5km at 7,7%
That would be too much for a GT stage, but if you want to have one day race that is a climbing WC it should be fine. :D
 
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In the next few days I'll start posting a short stage race for the early season that I've designed, Split - Trieste.
I'd like to have the race durning the 2nd half of February, maily because durning that period crosswinds would be more likely, if the Bora would show up it could be a real carnage.
 
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Stage 1 Omi? - Ervenik; 200km
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I've made a small change, the Race now starts in Omi? instead of Split.
The stage starts with the climb of Omis to Tugare on the Kneza Trpimira, 5,5km at 5,3% with a max. gradient of 10%.
A short gentle descent will bring the riders to Split and after 13 flat km around the bay of Split the next climb of the day starts, Orljak, 8,8km at 4,8%.
The descent is followed by a short climb, 3,8km at 4,5%, after that 43 km that are not totally flat but rolling will bring the riders away from the coast to the next climb, 10,5km at 5% with 1km at 9,6%.
After another gentle descent 70 rolling km will bring the riders through the beautiful town of Knin.
The final climb of the day is pretty short, 3,1km at 6,1% but with a max gradient of 13%, it could be hard enough to drop the pure sprinters if they race it hard enough.
After 4km of false flat on top of the climb the final descent will bring the riders down to Ervenik, not a technical descent so we should get a reduced sprint.
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Stage 2 Knin - Knin; 12km ITT
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The second stage of this short race will be a 12km long ITT, not a very technical one.
Sadly most people just know Knin because of his role in the Croatian War of Independence, but you should visit the ruins of the medieval Knin Fortress if you're there.
 
I still have to finish my Dauphin? Lib?r?.

Crit?rium du Dauphin? Lib?r?, stage 5: Saint-Vallier - Tarare: 189km, hilly

The 5th stage is something that the real Dauphin? often lacks: a proper hilly stage, with the possibilities to create some timegaps by the favorites too. I placed it after the long TT and before a flat stage, so there's no reason to hold back.
There's a part in line of 125km, the moment when the finishline is crossed (in the opposite direction), followed by a long loop around Tarare with some hills of the Beaujolais.
Tarare is a town of 10000 inhabitants, so big enough to host the Dauphin?, or even Tour (Lyon isn't too far away).

Map & Profile:
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Climbs:
C?te de Chassenoud: km45; 8.4km @ 4.7%; 3rd cat
C?te de Riverie: km 70.5; 11.8km @ 3.9%; 3rd cat
C?te de Charpenay: km 131; 4km @ 6%; 3rd cat
Col du Pillon: km 147.5; 3.4km @ 5%; 3rd cat; 727m
Col de la Croix de Thel: km171; 4.7km @ 7.3%; 2nd cat; 650m
Col de la Croix Paquet: km 186; 2.1km @ 10%; 3rd cat; 598m
 
Crit?rium du Dauphin? Lib?r?, stage 6: Villefranche-sur-Sa?ne - Voiron: 131km, flat

Despite the Col du Blanchet with 13.5km to go, I consider this to be a flat stage.

Map & Profile:
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Climbs:
Col du Blanchet: km 117.5; 6.8km @ 3.5%; 3rd cat; 695m
 
I did at one point have a Paris-Nice I was going to post which had the same finish around Tarare. I thought I'd got round to posting that race route but looks like I never did - glad to see somebody else has spotted the potential that that area has for racing. After a few problems with the internet I return to the thread, and Russia...

Stage 5: Стадион ?Лужники? (Luzhniki Stadium) - Красная Площадь (Red Square), 19,2km (ITT)

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From a racing perspective I would have preferred to swap this and the Krylatskoye Ring stage around, but from a logistical standpoint, this simply has to be the correct approach on the basis that the ITT can be held early in the morning and allow for the (very) long transfer that will take place after this stage. This will also make it less of a problem that the race takes in some very high profile locations in Moscow; after all the Five Rings of Moscow race manages to have a stage circling the very centre of the city, and here we would be talking about a much more high profile race than that.

I have my concerns that the ITT could block the Krylatskoye stage, however that stage is going to have so many ramps and rises that it's going to be nigh on unthinkable that it doesn't enforce some selectivity. Given the nature of the race, a long ITT would wind up with it being "win-the-TT-win-the-race" if the weather doesn't play ball in the first couple of stages, and those races are derided for a reason. Hence I've cut the length of the TT down to just under 20km; enough to open gaps but not enough that they're not insurmountable in the stages to come. Far from it.

The TT starts at Олимпийский комплекс ?Лужники?, Luzhniki Olympic complex, often abbreviated by Muscovites simply to Олимпийский. This enormous multi-sports complex, built back in the 1950s, was renovated for the 1980 Olympics, and stands close to one of Moscow's most iconic landmarks; the riders will therefore ride down to the riverbank to turn back on themselves early in the route, in order to pass the legendary Novodevichy Convent and adjoining cemetery. There's then a slight uphill drag (as they're on a bridge rather than rising directly from the riverbank it's not as steep as the profile makes it seem) at Vorobyovy Gory, before a long route back into the centre on one of Moscow's main alleys and one of those that kept their name after the fall of the USSR - Ленинский Проспект (Leninsky Prospekt). We pass just away from the Donskoy Monastery. After a little loop around the riders cross Крымский Мост (The Krymsky Bridge), another famous landmark, before heading directly for the heart of the city, via the Pushkin Museum, and heading to the riverbank once more after turning right at Храм Христа Спасителя (The Church of Christ the Saviour). After that it's a straightforward roll along the riverbank before the final small ascent - on cobbles - past the iconic cathedral of St Basil's and finishing in front of the Kremlin on Red Square.

After this, the race, which will no longer favour the rouleurs and sprinters, will head south. What can be taken that way will go on sleeper trains; what can't will be flown.

Олимпийский Комплекс ?Лужники?:
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Красная Площадь:
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Hi guys,

Before I start, a quick introduction to myself. I'm not cycling that long. I have followed it superficially for quite a while, but since a year ago mre intense.
I immediately like this thread a lot when I discovered this board; I've been an avid poster of fantasy-racecourse designs on a motorsportsboard, so this is a nice extensin of that.

Being based in the Netherlands, the low countries is the place my first designs will come from, so mountaingoats will probaby be dissapointed. In the making so far are a tour of the Netherlands, a one-day race in the flat and windy far North of the Netherlands and a 5-stage race based around Aachen, Germany, but as a start I'll post my one-day race in the second-most hilly part of the Netherlands:

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Start and finish are in the capital of the province, Arnhem, and the riders will make a large loop northbound, going up and down the Veluwe as many times as possible.
The riders start at the Gelredome footballstadium. After about 20km in a very open landscape with a headwind the course changes when the riders cross the Rhine, and find a few small hills to escape. The following 30km are good to make some progress for the escapees, with usually a tailwind. Near Hoenderlo, the route gets more hilly, with 4 small hills in the space of 50km. In Apeldoorn, there is a sprint for some money twice, the first time after 75km, and then 45km, and twice ascending the Aardmanberg later.
The roads stay narrow, often twisty, heavyly wooded and always going at least slightly up and down, until the finale stars in the last 40km. From there the hill will not get much higher,but they will be steeper, and follow eachother more quickly, with the Hullekensweg, the Zijpenberg, the Kluizenaarsweg and the Monnikensteeg all in the last 40km. From the summit of the Monnikensteeg it's a frenetic 3km downhill blast to the finish indowntown Arnhem, at the Velperplein.

See the whole route here

The ideal moment on the calendar would be in the Build-up to the Amstel Goldrace, if only because of the flowering heaten at that time of the year.

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London-Brighton: The Race to the Sea (209.1km)

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Britain has many possible routes ideal for punchy riders and sprinters able to make a select group. The Tour of Britain last year provided such a course, with unpredictable racing and unpredictable winners the order of the day. Britain's roads are said to be lumpy and difficult to chase down a breakaway on. Events like the 2012 Olympics (Men's) Road Race, or its "legacy event", the London-Surrey Classic, which ought to result in a bunch sprint, have not always gone to plan. So the gap exists for a scenic race along an iconic route for the sprinters - although naturally there will be challenges on a gently undulating 209km long course (a length just a little shorter than Paris-Tours, Paris-Brussels, or Vattenfall), and a breakaway will still have chances of victory.

London to Brighton is a historic route, dating back to the Romans at least, used for many events, including a motorcar event that has been running since 1927. The distance between the two places however, is under 90km, so I decided to take the route east to two of the historic Cinque Ports: Rye and Hastings, before heading towards Brighton.

The race starts in London, and, trying to avoiding too much duplication with the London-based races of the last year, Stage 3 of the Tour de France, and the London-Surrey Classic (although there is some overlap in the first 5km with Stages 8a and 8b of the Tour of Britain last year), the riders will begin in the Farringdon district of the old City of London, travelling along the Thames, and taking a loop around the famous King's Road, before passing through St James' Park and Green Park.

The riders will then go south of the river, taking in scenic Greenwich Park and Blackheath before leaving London via the borough of Bromley and its Biggin Hill airport. At almost exactly the 50km mark, the race enters the ancient county of Kent, the "Garden of England", and as they enter it, they face the highest point of the race: in between Biggin Hill and the village of Westerham (the home of Winston Churchill) where the road will briefly reach 15%, but nevertheless it will be the worst part of a long but manageable uphill drag to a height of 248m, rather than anything to rival the Ardennes.

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From here the race passes through quintessentially southern English towns and villages including Sevenoaks and Royal Tunbridge Wells, where riders will doubtless spot the distinctive Kentish oast houses (pictured above), used for drying hops. The race carries on through the countryside into Rye and Winchelsea in the county of Sussex, former naval strongholds key to the defence of England. The riders head along the south coast to Hastings (pictured below), site of the famous battle in 1066 and the invention of television, and they will finally, after more than 140km, hit the sea.

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Although wind is less of a factor on the south coast of England than it is on the north coast of continental Europe and the corresponding French side of the English Channel, winds of 120kmph occurred in Hastings during a particularly bad storm this January. Riders may therefore have to be careful as they pass along the Hastings seafront. If the winds are calm, they may care to look out at the pier, or up at the cliffs where infamous 18th century rum smugglers made use of a network of caves.

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The race moves along the coast towards Brighton, taking in Bexhill-on-Sea (the site of the first motor race in Britain in 1902), Pevensey (where William the Conqueror landed), and several kilometers of seafront at Eastbourne (the site of an eponymous tennis tournament), before going over Beachy Head (pictured above): the highest chalk sea cliff in Britain. If the winds are appreciable, a few short, sharp uphill sections at 10% on the approach to Beachy Head might be an ideal spot for a late attack. However, the race should surely be decided by a battle between the sprinters, with a generous 8km of virtually straight road for the sprint trains to get organised, with only a few roundabouts to negotiate, before a gentle curve in the road signals the start of a final 2km flat and straight race to the line on Brighton's Marine Parade.
 
last stage.

Crit?rium du Dauphin? Lib?r?, stage 8: Modane - Le Grand-Bornand: 183.5km, medium/high mountains

It's difficult to determine if this is a high or a medium mountain stage. The climbs aren't too long or high, but this stage is more difficult than many designed high mountain stages, and it is in the Alps, not exactly a medium mountain range.

It starts with 50 odd km to the base of the first climb: the Col du Grand Cucheron, immediately followed by the Col de Champ Laurent. Then comes a quick succession of five other climbs, separated by only about 20km each.

Map & Profile:
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Climbs:
Col du Grand Cucheron: km66; 11.6km @ 6.9%; 1st cat; 1188m
Col de Champ Laurent: km73; 3km @ 8%; 3rd cat; 1116m
Mont?e de Bonvillard: km94; 5.8km @ 7.8%; 2nd cat
Col de Tami?: km115; 10.3km @ 5.7%; 2nd cat; 907m
Col de l'?pine: km136.5; 6.8km @ 7.1%; 2nd cat; 947m
Col de Plan-Bois: km156.5; 6.3km @ 9.6%; 1st cat; 1299m
Col de Croix-Fry (From Manigod onwards): km170.5; 6.8km @ 7.8%; 2nd cat; 1467m
 
Tour of Russia Stage 6: Krasnodar (Краснодар) - Tuapse (Туапсе), 179km

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Climbs:
Молдавановский Перевал (Moldavanovsky Pereval)(cat.2) 2,4km @ 6,2%
Дефановка (Defanovka)(cat.3) 1,0km @ 5,8%
Новомихайловский Перевал (Novomikhailovsky Pereval)(cat.2) 4,8km @ 3,6%
Агойский Перевал (Agoysky Pereval)(cat.2) 4,0km @ 4,6%
Киевская (Kievskaya)(cat.3) 1,6km @ 7,7%

Intermediate Sprints:
Горячий Ключ (Goryachiy Klyuch), 52km
Джубгя (Dzhubga), 112km
Небуг (Nebug), 151km

After a long transfer to the southwest corner of the country, the p?loton faces a tough stage in the Tour of Russia where wind and hills are on the menu, and this has the potential to be somewhere between a moderate hilly stage and Milan-San Remo in style. Obviously it's quite a bit shorter than La Primavera, but the overall pattern is fairly similar.

Starting in the largest urban area of the region and the region's main economic hub, Krasnodar, the riders swiftly head southwards towards the Black Sea coast. The most direct route would be to head, as in the GP Sochi most years, to Novorossiysk, however we're heading further south along the coast than that. The first half of the stage is fairly straightforward, though much of it is uphill flat drag; there is the small matter of the first intermediate sprint in the affluent town of Goryachiy Klyuch, gateway to the Kavkaz mountains; in likelihood the break will get this, but with the stages to come, some more versatile all-rounders who are high in the GC could set their men to control this so that they can duke it out. After this the road starts to head upwards for real, and we get some pretty epic scenery on our way up an otherwise fairly punchy climb before a long and very gradual descent towards the sea interrupted by a shorter, less demanding climb on equally impressive roads at Defanovka.

Just before reaching the Black Sea, the second intermediate sprint takes place at the beach resort town of Dzhubga, after which the riders spend the rest of the stage - around 70km - almost entirely side-on to the coast and waiting to be battered by cross-winds coming across from the south east. There are some mighty scenic stretches on this road, which also ramps up and down on its coastal grind. Only one gradual climb is worth categorizing before, at 28km remaining, the riders pass through the final intermediate in the well-known town of Nebug, which annually hosts a stage of the GP Sochi.

The final 30k are quite tough and could be selective especially if the pace has been high. The climbs aren't anything to really write home about but they are tricky. Agoyskiy Pereval doesn't seem too much on paper (4km @ 4,5%) but includes a kilometre at just over 8% and its stats are affected by a false flat final kilometre; 3km @ just under 6% is more apt. Cresting with 16km to go, the riders then have a fast descent that becomes more technical towards the bottom before crossing the finishing line around 10km from the line. There's just another small dig of a climb - this being up at almost 8% though, so far from easy - which crests 7km out - inside the town limits of Tuapse, the northern centre of the Sochi resort area where we will be bringing the race to a finish, in line with the "St. Petersburg - Moscow - Sochi" idea for the race mooted in 2012-13. The final weekend beckons us, but with a flat sprint, a couple of potential banana skin rouleur days, the Classics toughman constant up-and-down of Krylatskoye Ring, some ITT mileage and now this winds-and-hills stage, the GC could be interesting here.

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Tuapse:
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Stage 3 Obrovac - Rijeka; 227km
Ok i still have to finish this race.
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This stage ist mostly alongside the coast and with a little bit of luck it could be total crosswinds carnage, if the Bora shows up. Excluding the climbs the whole stage is exposed to crosswinds and alongside the coast in a region that is known for a brutal katabatic wind, the Bora.
Nearly the whole stage is alongside the coast but we have a few 2 climbs and 2 categorised climbs, the first one is Malic from Senj, 11,6km at 6%.
The 2nd and final climb of the day comes only a few km before the finish line, from Bakar to Buzdohanj, 3,1km at 5,7% followed by 5km of false flat before the descent to Rijeka (or Fiume, if we use the Italian name) starts. The final 700m are slightly uphill.
Like i said, this could be a total crosswinds carnage, but the final stage will also be pretty hard and something for the climbers.
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Stage 4 Rijeka - Trieste; 188km
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Ok, maybe i went a little bit too far with this stage.:D
After 8,9km of flat the first climb of the day starts, 17km at 5%, the climb should be Učka.
After that the race goes through Istria and than northwards to Koper, rolling terrain with 2 small climbs, one is 2,6km at 4,8% with 400m at 12,7%, the other one is 3,4km at 4,7% with 200m at 12%.
After 9km the race leaves Slovenia and a short climb from Lazzaretto to Chiampore starts, 2km at 5,7%.
After that the race goes through Muggia and enters the beautiful town Trieste.
The first climb in Trieste is Via Giulia, 1,9km at 6,4% with 200m at 15,4%.
After the descent the ridiculously hard final circuit starts, 6 laps with Scala Santa, a brutal climb 2km at 16,2% with a max of 23%, you can compare this climb to Muro di Somaro, but this one is mostly cobbled.
The profile of the climb: http://www.salite.ch/9091.asp?mappa=
The climb is followed by a 4km long descent, the they'll have to climb scala santa again, they'll have to climb this monster 6 times before they'll leave the circuit after the final descent, the final 2,5% are flat and the race will finish on Corso Cavour.
Yes, I'm aware of the fact that such a short circuit could cause some confusion and logistic problems with stprinters getting lapped more than once.
The strongest rider should win this one.
Here are a few videos of Scala Santa, it should give you an idea on how hard the climb is.
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The 2nd one if a promo clip of a local race, i don't want to promote the race but it is a great clip that really shows how awesome this climb is.
Scala Santa:
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fauniera said:
Scala Santa is great. Just had a look at Streetview, it's gorgeous. Tough stage.

Yes, it's a great climb. I accidentally discovered the climb when i was in Trieste 3 years ago, it was a pleasant surprise.
Scala Santa would also be a great first uphill finish with a Giro departure in Croatia.