Race Thread

[CXXC]

OK Essen is not the most exciting course but today it delivered entertaining racing . I liked the colour of the Trek ridden by the women's winner and the excitement of the final turns in men's race

 

[jono]

OK Essen is not the most exciting course but today it delivered entertaining racing . I liked the colour of the Trek ridden by the women's winner and the excitement of the final turns in men's race

Some cyclocross diehards think every race should be a Dendermonde-style muddy tractor pull. Races like today or Benidorm often provide much more exciting racing. I think there is room for both in this sport.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

That was a hell of a ride by Riberolle at Exact, today. Just watched. She came from waaaaaay back.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I like Sweeck, but that was a chicken *** move.

 

[CXXC]

Ruddervoorde , Riberolle! not the race I expected van Empel not at her best?
where was Alvarado,Brand?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Norbert Riberolle got the better of her Italian teammate today. 3rd place is a big result for Fouquenet. Van Empel isn't at her very best (yet), but it's more important that she is actually racing again.

I haven't checked it myself, but it's apparently the first time in exactly 6 years that no Dutch riders have finished on the podium in the 3 major race series.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979893216813170722

View: https://x.com/cyclocross24/status/1979893216813170722


Célia Gery gave everyone a beating in Switzerland. Interesting that Burquier was also in the race. We'll see if that means she'll be doing more CX racing this winter.

Viezzi and the younger Agostinacchio lost out to Filippo Fontana on Zoncolan.

 

[CXXC]

Vanthournout wins an entertaining race just outsprinting Nieuwenhuis , I thought I would be writing wow! Toon Aert is back but he stacked it on the final corner

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Some cyclocross diehards think every race should be a Dendermonde-style muddy tractor pull. Races like today or Benidorm often provide much more exciting racing. I think there is room for both in this sport.

Dendermonde is everything I dislike about CX............And it seems that Beringen has been lost from the calendar.......That was a different type of course, with climbing, and a tricky descents.......more like old school XCO.....

 

[Barkintheeye]

Tight race really, with everyone at their limit on the last lap. Aerts couldn’t hold it together. Quite entertaining.

I suppose this is the last year for TAerts, Van der Haar and some more older riders?

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Norbert Riberolle got the better of her Italian teammate today. 3rd place is a big result for Fouquenet. Van Empel isn't at her very best (yet), but it's more important that she is actually racing again.

I haven't checked it myself, but it's apparently the first time in exactly 6 years that no Dutch riders have finished on the podium in the 3 major race series.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979893216813170722

View: https://x.com/cyclocross24/status/1979893216813170722


Célia Gery gave everyone a beating in Switzerland. Interesting that Burquier was also in the race. We'll see if that means she'll be doing more CX racing this winter.

Viezzi and the younger Agostinacchio lost out to Filippo Fontana on Zoncolan.

I guess Burquier is doing some races before her rest; she took a long time out after looking burnt out, but was finishing her studying...I can't believe she'll be doing much more racing this season. And she's not in the form she was when she was a top XC & Cyclocross rider a few seasons ago.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Dendermonde is everything I dislike about CX............And it seems that Beringen has been lost from the calendar.......That was a different type of course, with climbing, and a tricky descents.......more like old school XCO.....

Beringen is the venue for the Belgian NCs this year.

Not a massive fan of Dendermonde either, but at least it isn't as featureless as Meulebeke, Ardooie or Essen. Not every race needs to be brutal, but those three grouped together just isn't it.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Not a massive fan of Dendermonde either, but at least it isn't as featureless as Meulebeke, Ardooie or Essen. Not every race needs to be brutal, but those three grouped together just isn't it.

Well yes; I often think after a season of watching XC MTB on challenging courses, the early season CX races can seem a little lame.....

 

[RedheadDane]

Okay, I have a very obscure question; what nationality is Bailey Groenendaal?
Some places he's Danish. Some places he's Dutch...

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Okay, I have a very obscure question; what nationality is Bailey Groenendaal?
Some places he's Danish. Some places he's Dutch...

I would suggest that your question is based on a false assumption that someone can have only one nationality. Sport requires participants to bear one at a time, but that does not change somebody's identification and sometimes complex concept of national belonging.

His participation for the Netherlands in the 2024 World U23 championship would seem fairly certain evidence that his sporting registration is (or at least at that time was) Dutch.



This is the nearest I can find to editorial content on him. Not sure what evidence other than assumption from his name Cyclocross 24 might have for Danishness: but that doesn't mean he doesn't have grounds for considering himself both Danish and Dutch.

Bailey Groenendaal

Cibdol’s sponsored cyclocross talent Bailey Groenendaal is determined to become a world champion! Click to learn more about Bailey.

www.cibdol.com

 

[RedheadDane]

I would suggest that your question is based on a false assumption that someone can have only one nationality. Sport requires participants to bear one at a time, but that does not change somebody's identification and sometimes complex concept of national belonging.

His participation for the Netherlands in the 2024 World U23 championship would seem fairly certain evidence that his sporting registration is (or at least at that time was) Dutch.

But that's the thing; as I said; some places he's listed as being (as in "participating as") Danish, other places he's listed as Dutch...
And I found something that looks like the page you've linked, except it was in Danish.

Though, I think I was leaning more towards Dutch; Groenendaal seeming more like a Dutch name.
His first name offers no clues; that seems more Irish...

 

[Wyndbrook]

Pcs and First cycling both say Danish, cyclocross 24 say Dutch, so two to one he must be Danish
Is he related to Richard?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Though, I think I was leaning more towards Dutch; Groenendaal seeming more like a Dutch name.

D'oh: I was probably thinking of -dahl.

But I suspect it was simply a typo by someone at Cyclocross24: I don't see any other source suggesting anything other than Dutch.

Denmark didn't put a team in the 2024 U23 world championship, BG rode in that race: I think we can conclude that he does not, or at least at that time did not, race under Danish nationality.


And I think @Wyndbrook has reported it the wrong way around.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Okay, I have a very obscure question; what nationality is Bailey Groenendaal?
Some places he's Danish. Some places he's Dutch...

I had wondered about that, too, and discovered that he has a Danish mother, who runs a gym called Danish Dynamite in Schijndel.

 

[RedheadDane]

Pcs and First cycling both say Danish, cyclocross 24 say Dutch, so two to one he must be Danish

Are you sure about that?

Anyway, I suppose he's Datch... or Dunish...

I think it might have been him being listed as Danish on First that kinda threw me for a loop; I think I might have come across him when occasionally checking the results of various local races in Denmark, and wondered what some random Dutch dude was doing there.
Then I wondered if he might have changed (sporting) nationality...

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Are you sure about that?

Anyway, I suppose he's Datch... or Dunish...

I think it might have been him being listed as Danish on First that kinda threw me for a loop; I think I might have come across him when occasionally checking the results of various local races in Denmark, and wondered what some random Dutch dude was doing there.
Then I wondered if he might have changed (sporting) nationality...

That's odd: the summary on Google for his First Cycling entry says "Bailey Groenendaal is a 22-year-old cyclist from Netherlands, born September 12th 2003", but the top of his page on First says "Bailey Groenendaal is a 22-year-old cyclist from Denmark, born September 12th 2003." So what bit of FC does Google scrape info from?

He rode in the Dutch national championships in January, but some nations allow riders who are members of the federation, but registered under a different nationality, to do that. So not impossible that he has changed registration since 2024 worlds.

Another clue: numbers for the World Cup events are grouped by nationality: his most recent World Cup ride (Dendermonde in January) was with part of the Dutch range of numbers.

 

[jono]

On the UCI site, Groenendaal is listed as Danish. Not saying they're not wrong, but that's about as authoritative a source as you are likely to find.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

On the UCI site, Groenendaal is listed as Danish. Not saying they're not wrong, but that's about as authoritative a source as you are likely to find.

I guess we don't get a definitive answer until we see what number, if any, he is given at the next World Cup event...

 

[Axel Hangleck]

He's going to get far more support as a Dutch rider than a Danish rider........so it's really a 'no brainer'. I think Andreassen was the last Danish World champ in CX (Juniors in 2015, Tabor). And he has hardly ridden much CX since then......,Degn & Bohe have ridden CX as young riders, but I don't think the Danish federation supports it much after that. (like other countries)

 

[jono]

He's going to get far more support as a Dutch rider than a Danish rider........so it's really a 'no brainer'. I think Andreassen was the last Danish World champ in CX (Juniors in 2015, Tabor). And he has hardly ridden much CX since then......,Degn & Bohe have ridden CX as young riders, but I don't think the Danish federation supports it much after that. (like other countries)

Surely there must have been some support when they hosted worlds (Bogense 2019).

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

He's going to get far more support as a Dutch rider than a Danish rider........so it's really a 'no brainer'. I think Andreassen was the last Danish World champ in CX (Juniors in 2015, Tabor). And he has hardly ridden much CX since then......,Degn & Bohe have ridden CX as young riders, but I don't think the Danish federation supports it much after that. (like other countries)

But he also does MTB (about which I know nothing): might he have better chance of selection, and still decent support, by availing in that discipline of the Danish element of his background? I don't know what is a good site for researching his representation history in those races.