Lidl-Trek (no longer Radioshack-Leopard Trek)

[Sophistic]

now i pray for 2 60km flat ITTs in next years tour.

 

[HL2037]

now i pray for 2 60km flat ITTs in next years tour.

Yes. Over cobblestones! Edit: And downhill!

 

[cineteq]

The Shlecks must have thought Bruyneel will be able to work miracles for their TT

Hmm miracles? It's a fact that their wind tunnel technology is revolutionary, thus they've had great results!

 

[Cimber]

now i pray for 2 60km flat ITTs in next years tour.

Idd. But I wouldnt be surprised if they keep cutting down on prologue and ITT kilometers untill one of the bros finally win.

EDIT: Btw when will the 2012 Tour be presented? Oct or Nov?

The Shlecks must have thought Bruyneel will be able to work miracles for their TT

I am sure Johann and Lance have just the right miracle mixture for that.(yeye I know wrong forum. Just couldnt help myself(0; )

 

[roundabout]

Mid October AFAIK

 

[Cimber]

Mid October AFAIK

Ty. Will be very interesting. I hope for no TTT, but a prologue and 2 ITT. And a less dangurous 1st week. And some stages that finish with a decent

 

[eleven]

Not to be rude.....but you didn't

Olympus did not hold the Radioshack license, CSE did.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bill-stapleton-cse-will-own-manage-team-radioshack

The license the press release is referring to is the one held by Becca, not Brunyeel.

So CSE goes from running a Pro Tour team to running the marketing for a ProTour team.....selling jerseys to groupies

Bruyneel was the one running the team in recent years, and CSE has always been almost exclusively the marketing agent - a role they've proven to be very good at.

The combined team kept the Leopard license but in most every other aspect the RS management structure. A bit of research might explain why they kept the Leopard license over the RS one, but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[eleven]

Sure.

Who owns the team? Becca

This is quite simply not accurate.

 

[HL2037]

A bit of research might explain why they kept the Leopard license over the RS one, but I haven't seen it yet.

Here's a guess: To get their hands on riders who would never never never sign with them voluntarily.

 

[pugdog]

They hired Bruyneel for gods sake. It's unforgivable.

You've started the list, but you realise you're only at the beginning of the alphabet don't you?

 

[simoni]

Think people are looking a bit closely here. As ever its about money. Becca evidently doesn't want to dip into his pocket and has probably decided cycling is a bad idea after finding a backer was tougher than he anticipated. RS probably don't want to pay for a full team anymore either. They're struggling to secure the best young American talent now (witness Van Garderen's statement after signing for BMC - missed out of Phinney too last year) so a merger makes financial sense to both parties.

I doubt the Schlecks have much of a say in this. It was never "their" team in the way that RS was Armstrongs and they were never going to have the power and influence to stop this happening.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Bruyneel was the one running the team in recent years, and CSE has always been almost exclusively the marketing agent - a role they've proven to be very good at.

The combined team kept the Leopard license but in most every other aspect the RS management structure. A bit of research might explain why they kept the Leopard license over the RS one, but I haven't seen it yet.

Sure.

Who owns the team? Becca

This is quite simply not accurate.

While in the grand scheme of things it matters little to who actually holds the licence - why do you think Becca is not the owner, when all the available information points to this?

 

[eleven]

While in the grand scheme of things it matters little to who actually holds the licence - why do you think Becca is not the owner, when all the available information points to this?

I believe Becca will remain an owner, but certainly not the owner. Part of the ownership stake will transfer to the other entities involved. From what I know, keeping Leopard's license was a simple tactical move - but as I said earlier, I haven't heard/seen the full explanation of that yet. I certainly don't have all the information about this merger / deal, and I'm not inclined to speculate on the aspects I don't know (I leave that for other threads )

 

[GJB123]

I doubt the Schlecks have much of a say in this. It was never "their" team in the way that RS was Armstrongs and they were never going to have the power and influence to stop this happening.

Interesting point, which begs the questions whether they woud have stopped this hapening of they would have had the influence? And if they would have stopped it, what does that mean for the team next year and the overall motivation?

Regards
GJ

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I believe Becca will remain an owner, but certainly not the owner. Part of the ownership stake will transfer to the other entities involved. From what I know, keeping Leopard's license was a simple tactical move - but as I said earlier, I haven't heard/seen the full explanation of that yet.

But CSE/Stapleton owned the RS licence - Becca the Luxemburg licence.
So if the new licence is to be from Lux then it would appear that CSE only has the marketing part, which is what the Press release suggested.

 

[Lexman]

So now there will be two openings for two teams in the pro-tour.

eh 3
Quick Steps licence since it merged with Omega Pharma
Highroad : end of team
Radioshacks licence since they continue with Leopard Trek

 

[Lexman]

wondering what will happen with Gallopin, Meersman who joined RS for next year... and Hermans and Rast who left RS to join Leopard ...

 

[python]

Bruyneel was the one running the team in recent years, and CSE has always been almost exclusively the marketing agent - a role they've proven to be very good at.

The combined team kept the Leopard license but in most every other aspect the RS management structure. A bit of research might explain why they kept the Leopard license over the RS one, but I haven't seen it yet.

here’re a couple of guesses that may or may not be relevant

leopard’s 4 yr (?) pro-tour licence expires later than the shack’s
leopard has more riders with live contracts- reducing legal headaches
luxembourg origin may have been a lepard condition for tax benefit

 

[eleven]

But CSE/Stapleton owned the RS licence - Becca the Luxemburg licence.
So if the new licence is to be from Lux then it would appear that CSE only has the marketing part, which is what the Press release suggested.

"only has the marketing part" in a sport where ones entire budget is derived from marketing. CSE etal did not just hand title and registration for the new car to Becca. While we wait for information about ownership etc...to leak out over time, ask yourself this: Who had the leverage in this deal? AKA Who brought the money?

 

[just some guy]

"only has the marketing part" in a sport where ones entire budget is derived from marketing. CSE etal did not just hand title and registration for the new car to Becca. While we wait for information about ownership etc...to leak out over time, ask yourself this: Who had the leverage in this deal? AKA Who brought the money?

Trek cycling

 

[Dr. Maserati]

"only has the marketing part" in a sport where ones entire budget is derived from marketing. CSE etal did not just hand title and registration for the new car to Becca. While we wait for information about ownership etc...to leak out over time, ask yourself this: Who had the leverage in this deal? AKA Who brought the money?

Well the real question is who eventually profits - while all will make something from the deal, it is the licence holder that will ultimately benefit and more importantly retain control.
From all indications CSE (who had the Radioshack licence & marketing) have given up that to Becca.

 

[eleven]

Trek cycling

RS, Nissan and Trek....Two sponsors developed by the current RS management, and one developed both by the current RS management and Leopard.

I think Trek is the biggest winner here - they get much of the benefit they received from sponsoring two teams last year, while only sponsoring one.

 

[eleven]

Well the real question is who eventually profits - while all will make something from the deal, it is the licence holder that will ultimately benefit and more importantly retain control.
From all indications CSE (who had the Radioshack licence & marketing) have given up that to Becca.

I respectfully disagree, Doc. I have reason to believe that JB and the people at CSE will have a controlling interest, and therefore retain control. While my information on that could be wrong, I really don't think it is. Becca's a good enough business person to understand that he can go from losing his shirt to making a profit with this merger, control or not. Almost all the dollars/euros in this deal are coming from the current RS side.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I respectfully disagree, Doc. I have reason to believe that JB and the people at CSE will have a controlling interest, and therefore retain control. While my information on that could be wrong, I really don't think it is. Becca's a good enough business person to understand that he can go from losing his shirt to making a profit with this merger, control or not. Almost all the dollars/euros in this deal are coming from the current RS side.

Fair enough - having Bruyneel/CSE on board makes sense
But ultimately someone has to have the control here and I don't see Becca giving it away to easily.
So has Becca still some ownership here? As earlier you seemed to suggest he would not have any.

 

[elf1978]

More of a specifics query, but does the new merger go with Shimano or Sram setup? Also, aside from the big names guaranteed a spot for next year (Cancallera, the Schlecks, Brajkovic), who's on the short list of cycling celebrities looking for a job?