Radioshack vs Sky

[luckyboy]

Hopefully that's not official. Could they be more unoriginal? Stolen from the archives of La Vie Claire. Maybe a stab at Lemond?

No, its a custom one for a cycling game. I think they were being ironic with the LVC design

 

[progressor]

I think the comparison has merit. Contador is the reigning king of cycling in terms of grand tours. Armstrong is the record holder, former king trying to dethrone Contador.

Fair enough. I took it more from an historical and career perspective. If you take it as now it has more legs. That isn't clear in mellow velo's claim. I instantly read it as the former and didn't think to clarify. My mistake

To say Contador has "done nothing remotely similar yet" is kind of doing a disservice to Contador's accomplishments which when compared to Armstrong's at the same age are superior.

Potential and actual are not the same thing.

Contador is creating his own legacy while Armstrong is chasing past glory and stumbling about in Contador's wake, as he twitters deviously in futile hope of getting in his head.

But that's just back to the same old pro contador anti armstrong garbage.

 

[progressor]

Contador isn't even close to a woods or armstrong within the sport yet - and may never be, outside of it he is virtually nothing.

Phew, lucky you weren't out to really denigrate Senor Contador, eh?

How's that denigrating him? That's not negative Don't get so desperate to prove me wrong. The whole concept that I 'deify Armstrong and then denigrate Contador' is straight out wrong.
Having said that, I slammed your original analogy based on my own assumptions, as discussed previously in this thread. So I was wrong to go so hard at you about that.

 

[peloton]

But that's just back to the same old pro contador anti armstrong garbage.

What garbage?

Have you read Armstrong's tweets?

He (LA) has twice posted "Contador has lots to learn". That's pretty thick, Contador has won 4 GT's...

This forum was unreadable during the Tour with the rabid LA fanatics posting. Wonder where those cycling fans are now...

Back to the topic, RS has a very good (but old) team for the Tour. What other races they will contest, we'll see.

 

[Mellow Velo]

If you can't see it, then I can't be bothered to try and explain it.......again.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=3884&page=16

There is the evidence at their comparative ages. All your eggs are in
Armstrong's Tour tally, which would be impossible for a 26 YO to match.

As for Contador being virtually nothing outside of the sport, that is because you hold an unilateral perspective of a fellow American.
I think the average Spaniard would find that statement pretty insulting.

 

[peloton]

As for Contador being virtually nothing outside of the sport, that is because you hold an unilateral perspective of a fellow American.
I think the average Spaniard would find that statement pretty insulting.

+1
very well said

 

[lanternrouge]

If you can't see it, then I can't be bothered to try and explain it.......again.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=3884&page=16

There is the evidence at their comparative ages. All your eggs are in
Armstrong's Tour tally, which would be impossible for a 26 YO to match.

As for Contador being virtually nothing outside of the sport, that is because you hold an unilateral perspective of a fellow American.
I think the average Spaniard would find that statement pretty insulting.

+2 Quite.
Lance is more famous amongst the general non procycling fans public because of the recovery from cancer story. Bertie could win 10 tours and he would not achieve LA's fame (or infamy!?)

 

[Ripper]

Do I? Or have I been harping on about the extremes of some posters anti armstrong bias/agenda. Not the same thing.

Perhaps better wording is that you have been defending Armstrong based on what you perceive to be other posters 'extremes'. And yes, you also go on about the posters.

This being said, I don't really care what the reason you use to rationalize. You are pretty Armstrong focused.

 

[progressor]

If you can't see it, then I can't be bothered to try and explain it.......again.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=3884&page=16

There is the evidence at their comparative ages. All your eggs are in
Armstrong's Tour tally, which would be impossible for a 26 YO to match.

As for Contador being virtually nothing outside of the sport, that is because you hold an unilateral perspective of a fellow American.
I think the average Spaniard would find that statement pretty insulting.

I believe I've largely conceded most of that ground. Your original statement contained nothing about 'at the same age', but I shouldn't have assumed career rather than present. Although I don't really agree I shouldn't have ridiculed your post on that assumption. Apologies for that.

An earlier post pointed out my view was anglo centric. I believe I've already acknowledged his point

Talking of assumptions, why do you assume I'm american? I'm not.

 

[progressor]

Perhaps better wording is that you have been defending Armstrong based on what you perceive to be other posters 'extremes'. And yes, you also go on about the posters.

This being said, I don't really care what the reason you use to rationalize. You are pretty Armstrong focused.

Someone said I 'deify Armstrong and then denigrate Contador', I've done neither, the very fact I get attacked as such illustrates my argument that many here constantly 'denigrate Armstrong and then deify Contador', and unreasonably attack those who disagree with aspects of the anti armstrong posts.

Now if you want to disagree with what I say, fine. Just don't add things in I haven't said.

 

[Ripper]

Someone said I 'deify Armstrong and then denigrate Contador', I've done neither, the very fact I get attacked as such illustrates my argument that many here constantly 'denigrate Armstrong and then deify Contador', and unreasonably attack those who disagree with aspects of the anti armstrong posts.

Now if you want to disagree with what I say, fine. Just don't add things in I haven't said.

I don't think I have added any things to what you have been saying.

 

[badboyberty]

Sky are going to feature in every race that matters, and with Gerrans and EBH they'll win more in Spring than RS will win all season. Team Radioshack are going to be like everything else that has the Radioshack logo printed on it, unreliable and short lived.

 

[Boeing]

Sky is so overrated it is silly but alas this is a commonwealth site

 

[progressor]

I don't think I have added any things to what you have been saying.

Sorry you're right, that's poorly phrased. I mean don't present my view point as something i'm not expressing, ie - armstrong defender etc. It was more extreme with some other posters.

 

[Boeing]

I'm serious as a heart attack on ventoux

 

[Angliru]

Good to see you post angliru.

Thanks. I haven't been away that long have I?

 

[TRDean]

Sky are going to feature in every race that matters, and with Gerrans and EBH they'll win more in Spring than RS will win all season. Team Radioshack are going to be like everything else that has the Radioshack logo printed on it, unreliable and short lived.

Whats with all the Gerrans nutt hugging? When he starts to win in the spring then you can talk. Your post would better be stated EBH and Lovkvist will win more in the spring..as they actually have a proven track record of winning in the spring. Aside from TdU success Gerrans is just a very good spring rider.

 

[Moondance]

Whats with all the Gerrans nutt hugging? When he starts to win in the spring then you can talk. Your post would better be stated EBH and Lovkvist will win more in the spring..as they actually have a proven track record of winning in the spring. Aside from TdU success Gerrans is just a very good spring rider.

Ummm... The dude has won, in the last two years alone, a stage in the Tour, Giro and Vuelta. Had Top-10 finishes in Amstel Gold, Fleche Wallone and Liege this year, as well as a Top-10 in the recent Worlds and of course a victory in Ouest-France, and those are just the ones i can name off the top of my head. It's pretty impressive stuff.

 

[TRDean]

Ummm... The dude has won, in the last two years alone, a stage in the Tour, Giro and Vuelta. Had Top-10 finishes in Amstel Gold, Fleche Wallone and Liege this year, as well as a Top-10 in the recent Worlds and of course a victory in Ouest-France, and those are just the ones i can name off the top of my head. It's pretty impressive stuff.

As I've stated before...a stage win is not a win in a spring classic. Getting into a long break that stays away is indeed impressive...but it is not winning AG, FW, or Leige. And those wins you mention are the extent of it...I like Gerrans...and I hope he does well...we shall see.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Sky is so overrated it is silly but alas this is a commonwealth site

It maybe fair to suggest that both teams are overrated.
Until either starts winning, next season, that's how they will be viewed.
Not sure that the Dutch, Belgians and Scandanavian's on here, were ever part of the Commonwealth.
Just put it down as another French/Euro conspiracy.