Radioshack vs Sky

[auscyclefan94]

No, it would be like not inviting Jack Nicklaus.
Contador is the Tiger Woods of cycling.



No Sky don't care about next year's GTs. They will in the years to come.
One of their main long-term goals.
Meanwhile, Shack only have one goal, next year's Tour.

Don't include ToC or Tdf, I would like to see how many races radio shack place or win and how many races they properley aim at.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I'm not even sure the TOC measures up as a benchmark of success, until 2011, at least.
It's like saying the Vuelta a Burgos, or the Tour de Wallonie GC
makes for a successful season.

How many races the properly aim at, is anyone's guess and is probably the reason many think Sky will be more successful, next year.

 

[progressor]

No, it would be like not inviting Jack Nicklaus.
Contador is the Tiger Woods of cycling.

LOL. You didn't actually write that in all seriousness did you??

Some of you dudes have seriously lost all perspective

 

[franciep10]

LOL. You didn't actually write that in all seriousness did you??

Some of you dudes have seriously lost all perspective

well performance wise contador is without a doubt the tiger woods of cycling, while LA is just a media hog.

 

[samb01]

I think they'll get at least 20 as well. But more than thirty, like the teams I mentioned? I doubt it with the team roster.

Where do you get your stats? Of the teams you mentioned, only Columbia and Saxo are over 30.

Btw, number of wins this season by riders confirmed for Team Sky: 31 (according to wvcycling.com)

 

[progressor]

well performance wise contador is without a doubt the tiger woods of cycling, while LA is just a media hog.

Huh? Armstrong has one the biggest event in his sport a record number of times, and has raised the profile of his sport massively. Similar to what woods is doing/has done. Contador has done nothing remotely similar yet, and no-one knows of him outside his sport. Once again, hate Armstrong all you want, but don't be ridiculous. Another derailed St conti Fanboy?

 

[franciep10]

Huh? Armstrong has one the biggest event in his sport a record number of times, and has raised the profile of his sport massively. Similar to what woods is doing/has done. Contador has done nothing remotely similar yet, and no-one knows of him outside his sport. Once again, hate Armstrong all you want, but don't be ridiculous. Another derailed St conti Fanboy?

Why do people always leap before they look, I said based on performance contador is like tiger woods and LA is just a media hog. In other words contador wins while LA deals with the media.

 

[stefrees]

Huh? Armstrong has one the biggest event in his sport a record number of times, and has raised the profile of his sport massively. Similar to what woods is doing/has done. Contador has done nothing remotely similar yet, and no-one knows of him outside his sport. Once again, hate Armstrong all you want, but don't be ridiculous. Another derailed St conti Fanboy?

contador = nadal compared to armstrong = samprass. and whats all this fanboy nonsense? i dont like contador, dont like armstrong , but respect what both have done, and contador is the stand out gc rider in the sport.

 

[Sprocket01]

One would have to go with radioshack on paper but Sky could yet surprise us. They certainly have the ambition and the drive.

 

[Ferminal]

Huh? Armstrong has one the biggest event in his sport a record number of times, and has raised the profile of his sport massively. Similar to what woods is doing/has done. Contador has done nothing remotely similar yet, and no-one knows of him outside his sport. Once again, hate Armstrong all you want, but don't be ridiculous. Another derailed St conti Fanboy?

How many Giros and Vueltas has Armstrong won?

How does caring about your media/public image enter a debate about cycling? That's a very Anglo-centric argument.

 

[Ripper]

How many Giros and Vueltas has Armstrong won?

How does caring about your media/public image enter a debate about cycling? That's a very Anglo-centric argument.

Relax, Pregressor really likes defending Armstrong.

Back to the original subject - I will wait till I see some racing!!

Team Sky will be new, so hard to say (Cervelo did very well, IMHO).

The Shack is pretty geritol, but they may still perform (yumm, GH).

 

[luckyboy]

The Shack is pretty geritol, but they may still perform (yumm, GH).

In my opinion, they can hope for a top ten in TdF, maybe top 5 for the old man if the course is as weak as this year, and for sure they will be winning the US races. What's the betting that Steegmans will get most of the wins?


Unrelated I know, but I found this the other day

 

[Runitout]

Huh? Armstrong has one the biggest event in his sport a record number of times, and has raised the profile of his sport massively. Similar to what woods is doing/has done. Contador has done nothing remotely similar yet, and no-one knows of him outside his sport. Once again, hate Armstrong all you want, but don't be ridiculous. Another derailed St conti Fanboy?

What percentage of your posts deify Armstrong and then denigrate Contador? Go back and look at them.

They are not the yin and yang of cycling. One is not the opposite of the other.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

In my opinion, they can hope for a top ten in TdF, maybe top 5 for the old man if the course is as weak as this year, and for sure they will be winning the US races. What's the betting that Steegmans will get most of the wins?


Unrelated I know, but I found this the other day

I've seen a few designs on a pcm site also. Maybe it might just be a jersey with LA's face on it?

 

[progressor]

What percentage of your posts deify Armstrong and then denigrate Contador? Go back and look at them.

Absolutely none. Go back and look at them yourself. You've mi**** that completely.

They are not the yin and yang of cycling. One is not the opposite of the other.

Totally agree.

 

[progressor]

Why do people always leap before they look, I said based on performance contador is like tiger woods and LA is just a media hog. In other words contador wins while LA deals with the media.

Performance when? you mean current performance only? Or career performance? I assumed the latter, perhaps mistakenly. Funnily enough Tiger woods hasn't had a major win this year after a break.

 

[progressor]

How many Giros and Vueltas has Armstrong won?

How does caring about your media/public image enter a debate about cycling? That's a very Anglo-centric argument.

The giro and vuelta don't have all the best riders giving max performance, even if they have importance as well.
I was disagreeing with an analogy that was to a sport outside cycling. But I take your point on the anglo-centric argument bit.

 

[progressor]

Relax, Pregressor really likes defending Armstrong.

Do I? Or have I been harping on about the extremes of some posters anti armstrong bias/agenda. Not the same thing.

 

[TRDean]

I agree. The Shack and Sky will struggle to win anything. Take the Shack, mostly Astana's A-Team, who collectively struggled to win anything. Yeah Levi won in California and the algarve and a few ITTs, Brajkovic is quality for the stage wins and classics, but the team is sadly geared towards pulling the old man on the roster around France. Astana achieved more victories overall and stages via Contador than the rest combined. Good move Lance and Bruyneel.

As for Sky, yeah they might win a stage or two in the grand tours with EBH and Gerrans but thats it. Despite this (no shame there as the chances to win are few and far between) they will actually have a crack at the classics and week long races. They won't be up there with with Columbia, Saxo, Caisse, Rabo, Liquigas and Katusha in volume of wins, though this won't matter, they will easily double the Shacks number of victories. Sadly the muppets at Radioshack are bank rolling the vanity of one man in the pursuit of one race. Then they'll depart the sport, like Postal and Disco. Everything else will be a minor inconvenience, except California, which will be used to help convince Levi to put his aspirations aside and pull Lance around the Alps and Pyrenees in July.

Sky are the better team, but the Shack will get the media's attention, particularly in America, even over other US teams like Garmin and Columbia. Personally I think it stinks, but the inevitability of the situation is glaringly obvious.

I think Sky is the team to have more success in 2010. They will start winning early in the season and carry on throughout the summer. EBH is a great (GREAT) 22 year old rider and to say otherwise is pretty funny. I do think people are underestimating Lovkvist however. I believe he is only 25 years old and his season was pretty successful:

1st Monte Paschi Eroica
1st Stage 5, Sachsen Tour
4th Overall, Tirreno-Adriatico
1st Young Rider Classification
5th Overall, Tour of California
6th Flèche Wallonne
25th, Overall Giro d'Italia
1st, Stage 1 Team time trial
Maglia Rosa for Stages 5
Maglia Bianca stages 5-15

Not too bad really. He is a guy who should show in some classics early in the season. And a top 10 in the Tour is pretty good...seeing as RadioShack probably won't win anyway.

I just see Sky as a very well put together British team that will be around for many years and develop riders into champions.

I am rooting for Sky to be successful...as it will be a success for the sport.

 

[franciep10]

Performance when? you mean current performance only? Or career performance? I assumed the latter, perhaps mistakenly. Funnily enough Tiger woods hasn't had a major win this year after a break.

Is That true, well I don't watch golf so what did he not win anything this year, because then LA is the tiger woods of cycling.

 

[Angliru]

Huh? Armstrong has one the biggest event in his sport a record number of times, and has raised the profile of his sport massively. Similar to what woods is doing/has done. Contador has done nothing remotely similar yet, and no-one knows of him outside his sport. Once again, hate Armstrong all you want, but don't be ridiculous. Another derailed St conti Fanboy?

I think the comparison has merit. Contador is the reigning king of cycling in terms of grand tours. Armstrong is the record holder, former king trying to dethrone Contador. To say Contador has "done nothing remotely similar yet" is kind of doing a disservice to Contador's accomplishments which when compared to Armstrong's at the same age are superior. Contador is creating his own legacy while Armstrong is chasing past glory and stumbling about in Contador's wake, as he twitters deviously in futile hope of getting in his head.

 

[Angliru]

Unrelated I know, but I found this the other day

Hopefully that's not official. Could they be more unoriginal? Stolen from the archives of La Vie Claire. Maybe a stab at Lemond?

 

[BeachBum]

Hopefully that's not official. Could they be more unoriginal? Stolen from the archives of La Vie Claire. Maybe a stab at Lemond?

If this is the real jersey design, I'd like to see what happens if Lance ever steps on a podium with the Badger.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Originally Posted by Runitout
What percentage of your posts deify Armstrong and then denigrate Contador? Go back and look at them.

Absolutely none. Go back and look at them yourself. You've mi**** that completely.

Really? What's this, then?

Contador isn't even close to a woods or armstrong within the sport yet - and may never be, outside of it he is virtually nothing.

Phew, lucky you weren't out to really denigrate Senor Contador, eh?

 

[franciep10]

I think the comparison has merit. Contador is the reigning king of cycling in terms of grand tours. Armstrong is the record holder, former king trying to dethrone Contador. To say Contador has "done nothing remotely similar yet" is kind of doing a disservice to Contador's accomplishments which when compared to Armstrong's at the same age are superior. Contador is creating his own legacy while Armstrong is chasing past glory and stumbling about in Contador's wake, as he twitters deviously in futile hope of getting in his head.

Good to see you post angliru.