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Lol this is hillarious stuff,probably on ignoredamian13ster said:
But are you aware that Contador never stood against serious charges in puerto? Lol that guy was underdog back than, no results no troubles
But are you aware that Contador never stood against serious charges in puerto? Lol that guy was underdog back than, no results no troubles
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Carols said:damian13ster said:
And why don't you keep your remarks where they belong which is Not in PRR!!!! You do this all over this sub-forum
Mea culpa. It is just impossible to keep that part of the forum apart when talking about COntador, especially if someone asks why you dislike him. How do you suggest someone should answer a question like that?
With a link to that subforum? Or with a link to the article about 2 year ban? What is an acceptable answer?
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damian13ster said:Carols said:damian13ster said:
And why don't you keep your remarks where they belong which is Not in PRR!!!! You do this all over this sub-forum
Mea culpa. It is just impossible to keep that part of the forum apart when talking about COntador, especially if someone asks why you dislike him. How do you suggest someone should answer a question like that?
With a link to that subforum? Or with a link to the article about 2 year ban? What is an acceptable answer?
Well you could say we're in the Makja thread let's take it to PM.
But it sure doesn't belong in this thread or in this subforum!
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Just say clinic reasons.damian13ster said:Carols said:damian13ster said:
And why don't you keep your remarks where they belong which is Not in PRR!!!! You do this all over this sub-forum
Mea culpa. It is just impossible to keep that part of the forum apart when talking about COntador, especially if someone asks why you dislike him. How do you suggest someone should answer a question like that?
With a link to that subforum? Or with a link to the article about 2 year ban? What is an acceptable answer?
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Agreed with Carols. Eot.
Lets just celebrate Majka's first GT podium and hope for many more in the future!
Lets just celebrate Majka's first GT podium and hope for many more in the future!
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Correct. But you'll probably have to wait a year for it because he first has to work for Alberto in the Tour next year.
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At least you can improve his hesitation and passiveness compared to if he couldnt climb or couldnt TT (Purito-like). He can do that and on his best day, with the best. He just needs to take another approach. Personally, I think the passive one was the correct one this time around, alltho I found him super boring this Vuelta, but learning to pick his spots when having super legs is the easiest to overcome in order to win a GT. It had been problematic if he hadn't the legs.
Metabolol said:
At least you can improve his hesitation and passiveness compared to if he couldnt climb or couldnt TT (Purito-like). He can do that and on his best day, with the best. He just needs to take another approach. Personally, I think the passive one was the correct one this time around, alltho I found him super boring this Vuelta, but learning to pick his spots when having super legs is the easiest to overcome in order to win a GT. It had been problematic if he hadn't the legs.
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I'm not sure being extremely conservative is something that people often grow out of. I don't think there's many examples (definitely Evans. Who else?*). I'd rather say young riders are more likely to be a bit too enthusiastic and spend more energy than they should.
*You could say Zubeldia, but that's at a different level, and only for one race so far.
*You could say Zubeldia, but that's at a different level, and only for one race so far.
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Great achievement by Majka. Crafty, conservative riding allowed him to surpass his physical ceiling. As it gave him his first GT podium, I'm sure Rafal will not deviate often from this cautious but tried and true mode of riding the bike.
I look forward to seeing him follow the right wheels at the Giro next year which may well lead to another podium.
I look forward to seeing him follow the right wheels at the Giro next year which may well lead to another podium.
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Yeah, unfortunately his natural talent isn't as high as for some other riders.
But the guy is extremely hard working. And I can't believe that noone speaks about his recovery.
Probably the best among GT riders, and by quite some distance.
Last year, rode the Giro, then the Tour, was very successful at that. Then right after the Tour rode the TdP which he won even though the route was not made for him. Only then started fading in races in USA.
This year: significant amount of race days in spring, then successful Tour, and then goes on to podium the Vuelta while being at his best in the third week.
And next year probably Giro and Tour so 4 GTs in a row, all completed (most likely), and all of them on very high level.
SeriousSam said:
Yeah, unfortunately his natural talent isn't as high as for some other riders.
But the guy is extremely hard working. And I can't believe that noone speaks about his recovery.
Probably the best among GT riders, and by quite some distance.
Last year, rode the Giro, then the Tour, was very successful at that. Then right after the Tour rode the TdP which he won even though the route was not made for him. Only then started fading in races in USA.
This year: significant amount of race days in spring, then successful Tour, and then goes on to podium the Vuelta while being at his best in the third week.
And next year probably Giro and Tour so 4 GTs in a row, all completed (most likely), and all of them on very high level.
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Jesus man, stop trying to push your agenda everywhere.
All I said is that Majka doesnt have a top level of some guys but has the best recovery among GT riders as evident by insanely long peak in 2014 and by very good ride in Vuelta after slaving off and winning a stage with 50km solo ride at the Tour.
Angliru said:
Jesus man, stop trying to push your agenda everywhere.
All I said is that Majka doesnt have a top level of some guys but has the best recovery among GT riders as evident by insanely long peak in 2014 and by very good ride in Vuelta after slaving off and winning a stage with 50km solo ride at the Tour.
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Take a breath Ms. Overdramatization. I simply don't agree with your opinion of Majka's ability to recover being better than the riders that I mentioned plus one more, who have displayed it for years upon years. Additionally you need tone it down with your statements. With your recent confession as to your motivations you would be the last person that should be criticizing someone for "pushing an agenda". You need to just chill TFO.
damian13ster said:
Take a breath Ms. Overdramatization. I simply don't agree with your opinion of Majka's ability to recover being better than the riders that I mentioned plus one more, who have displayed it for years upon years. Additionally you need tone it down with your statements. With your recent confession as to your motivations you would be the last person that should be criticizing someone for "pushing an agenda". You need to just chill TFO.
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When you are stating that Majka has the best recovery by 'probably some distance', I think many of us cant help to shake our heads a bit. Aint nobody better than Quintana when it comes to that which he has shown in the last 4 GT's he has ridden. To say Majka is better is kinda dumb.
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Quintana aims to peak in third week.
Thats why he is so far behind in Tours that the race is pretty much done by the time he gets to his peak.
Quintana is a better GT cyclist, has much higher top level than Majka. But he doesn't have a better recovery. Not even close.
When did he ride a couple of consecutive races at his peak or close to it? I can't recall that instance. This is what shows recovery, not the fact that you choose to peak for third week
And Valverde is a physical specimen. He is the best cyclist in the world, pretty much in his own league atm.
He is just so multi-talented that quite frankly I have hard time judging his recovery. It must be pretty damn good though considering that he is contending in almost every race he enters and by looking at the number of race days.
Valv.Piti said:When you are stating that Majka has the best recovery by 'probably some distance', I think many of us cant help to shake our heads a bit. Aint nobody better than Quintana when it comes to that which he has shown in the last 4 GT's he has ridden. To say Majka is better is kinda dumb.
Quintana aims to peak in third week.
Thats why he is so far behind in Tours that the race is pretty much done by the time he gets to his peak.
Quintana is a better GT cyclist, has much higher top level than Majka. But he doesn't have a better recovery. Not even close.
When did he ride a couple of consecutive races at his peak or close to it? I can't recall that instance. This is what shows recovery, not the fact that you choose to peak for third week
And Valverde is a physical specimen. He is the best cyclist in the world, pretty much in his own league atm.
He is just so multi-talented that quite frankly I have hard time judging his recovery. It must be pretty damn good though considering that he is contending in almost every race he enters and by looking at the number of race days.
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Quintana was racing for GC in 2 consecutive gt's - Valverde was as well. Majka wasn't. You have to take that into consideration. His recovery is good, but you're talking it up to much. It's "easier" to recover when you're not up there with the best everyday in the Tour. Quintana had to be on his A game through the ENTIRE Tour and then through the ENTIRE Vuelta. Forget about whether he was in "peak condition"....he sure was close, because he topped 5 in two gt's. That sure is more impressive when talking about recovery. Recovery is the very thing needed to do this. One could even argue that Majka doesn't have good recovery because he had to "soft" pedal at times in the Tour to be ready for the Vuelta. (I don't think this...just saying one could argue this way)
damian13ster said:Valv.Piti said:When you are stating that Majka has the best recovery by 'probably some distance', I think many of us cant help to shake our heads a bit. Aint nobody better than Quintana when it comes to that which he has shown in the last 4 GT's he has ridden. To say Majka is better is kinda dumb.
Quintana aims to peak in third week.
Thats why he is so far behind in Tours that the race is pretty much done by the time he gets to his peak.
Quintana is a better GT cyclist, has much higher top level than Majka. But he doesn't have a better recovery. Not even close.
When did he ride a couple of consecutive races at his peak or close to it? I can't recall that instance. This is what shows recovery, not the fact that you choose to peak for third week
And Valverde is a physical specimen. He is the best cyclist in the world, pretty much in his own league atm.
He is just so multi-talented that quite frankly I have hard time judging his recovery. It must be pretty damn good though considering that he is contending in almost every race he enters and by looking at the number of race days.
Quintana was racing for GC in 2 consecutive gt's - Valverde was as well. Majka wasn't. You have to take that into consideration. His recovery is good, but you're talking it up to much. It's "easier" to recover when you're not up there with the best everyday in the Tour. Quintana had to be on his A game through the ENTIRE Tour and then through the ENTIRE Vuelta. Forget about whether he was in "peak condition"....he sure was close, because he topped 5 in two gt's. That sure is more impressive when talking about recovery. Recovery is the very thing needed to do this. One could even argue that Majka doesn't have good recovery because he had to "soft" pedal at times in the Tour to be ready for the Vuelta. (I don't think this...just saying one could argue this way)
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You are completely discounting the 2014 in which Rafal was in top shape pretty much from April to late August.
I am not saying that Quintana's recovery isn't good. All I am saying is that there is no evidence for it so far.
Unless you claim that 4th in Vuelta with this field is close to his top level? And if it isnt then it means he cant ride 2 consecutive GTs at or near his best level, therefore his recovery is suspect.
There is just no evidence that he can hold his top shape for more than 1 week, it is actually quite opposite.
Just look at the difference between PSM and Alpe. Dont you think that someone with good recovery would be able to at least hold the peak for 2 weeks?
As I said, I am not going to pretend I can discuss Valverde here. This guy is just out of this world, an outlier
Riding a Giro for GC, winning 2 stages at the Tour, then winning WT race right after a Tour, going on across ocean to top 5 another race is a clear indication of great recovery.
I am not saying that Quintana's recovery isn't good. All I am saying is that there is no evidence for it so far.
Unless you claim that 4th in Vuelta with this field is close to his top level? And if it isnt then it means he cant ride 2 consecutive GTs at or near his best level, therefore his recovery is suspect.
There is just no evidence that he can hold his top shape for more than 1 week, it is actually quite opposite.
Just look at the difference between PSM and Alpe. Dont you think that someone with good recovery would be able to at least hold the peak for 2 weeks?
As I said, I am not going to pretend I can discuss Valverde here. This guy is just out of this world, an outlier
Riding a Giro for GC, winning 2 stages at the Tour, then winning WT race right after a Tour, going on across ocean to top 5 another race is a clear indication of great recovery.
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damian13ster said:
Don't you see your double standard?! This doesn't show greater recovery! In the Tour he was able to RELAX and then go on to win two stages. That isn't the ultimate test for "the best recovery out of the current gt riders." Then if you want to talk about Quintana's competition in the Vuelta, you must also talk about the competition (or the lack thereof) in the ToP and the Pro Challenge. Like I said - does he have good recovery? Yes. But there are riders (such as Quintana, Valverde) that have shown better.
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I will say though that he is very good at riding within himself to gain good results in gt's. In 2014 he did a decent Giro and then went on to relax and chose his battles carefully resulting in 2 stage wins. Very smart. This year he took it easy through the Tour choosing his battles carefully, winning a stage, and then went on to do a very good Vuelta in GC. Again pretty smart.
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Jspear said:
It shows a good recovery. You are missing the point here. You are not correcting for rider's top level. Good recovery does not equal best cyclist in 2nd GT.
And competition in Tour de Pologne was very strong for the route they had. Majka beat people there in their own disciplines. It was a hilly race in which he was not favored, in which he won 2 stages and then held on in TT. All of that after riding 2 GTs.
When it comes to Tour de France then he was in a breakaway multiple days, on two ocassions(the stage in which he finished 2nd behind Nibali and 3rd behind Nibali and Pinot) he has shown that he is one of the best climbers there. And after that 2nd place he went on to a huge breakaway win. Throughout last 10 days I think there was only 1 stage he took it easy in.
Also, if you look at his career, 2nd GT is usually better for him. He had higher top level in TdF 2014 than in Giro 2014 (although stomache issues had something to do with that), and was better in Vuelta 2015 than in Tour 2015.
Quintana was worse in Vuelta 2014 than in Giro 2014. He was worse in Vuelta 2015 than in Tour 2015. Also, didn't ride a packed schedules prior or past those races.
Quintana is a superior cyclist, has much better top level. He does not have a better recovery though. There is absolutely no evidence for that.
Just to make sure you understood: peaking for 3rd week after bleeding time in first two does not mean you have a better recovery than others, although that seems to be a message regarding Quintana
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damian13ster said:
Think whatever you want about the 2014 Vuelta - the one thing we know was he was in red when he crashed out. Not the best example to point to. 2015 Vuelta it's only natural that he would be worse - look how much climbing there was in the Tour. One thing to remember though was that he was sick in the Vuelta.
My understanding of recovery is the ability to perform very well (at a somewhat high level) over a long period of time. Of course Majka's overall level is lower than Quintana's. But even within his own level - he doesn't hold it for as long as you think. Quintana has demonstrated that he can keep his own good level for longer than Majka can hold his. If you have another definition of the word than I think we will just be talking past each other.
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When did Quintana show that he can hold his own good level longer than Majka?
And if you remember correctly he got the red because of TTT and got dropped on a first incline. And then had really poor first (uphill) section of ITT before crashing on an easy, dry turn.
You seriously can not consider that a show of good form?
He is never good in first 2 weeks and only peaks for third. Why would someone with good recovery do that instead of holding peak for longer?
And if you remember correctly he got the red because of TTT and got dropped on a first incline. And then had really poor first (uphill) section of ITT before crashing on an easy, dry turn.
You seriously can not consider that a show of good form?
He is never good in first 2 weeks and only peaks for third. Why would someone with good recovery do that instead of holding peak for longer?
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