Raise your hand if you're tired of the whole Astana affair

[DavidVilla7]

I just might be more tired of contador than lance by now

yep, and that´s all because of Lance

I agree that nothing interesting/shocking/surprising etc. happend since september, but what is interesting? A new doping affair?
That was a joke, but I don't see what might/can happen.
But surely there's a lot happening what we don't see. Thanks to Bruyneel and co.

Yes I'm tired too, I want that astana case to be sorted.

there's a 'silence' war going on between ac and la.
Especially for Armstrong this is a serious thing. oh and neccesary!

Slowly everything will be clear..

 

[KazakhNeRider]

Rini Wagtmans reported - Astana is saved http://www.bndestem.nl/sport/sportalgemeen/5858566/Rini-Wagtmans-Astana-is-gered.ece
A few weeks ago he said that KCF asked him again to help in license business, but KCF didn't confirm info. So - last info means that however he was recruited?

 

[Anonymous]

1) you're right, saying "i think we can all agree" is such a lame statement and very laughable.. if I ever say it (other than a quote) i promise to leave the forum forever in shame

2) you're right, Contador at Astana is the best thing for LA/JB, there is no need to sabotage Astana because that's better for AC. If anything, i'd be more concerned if Lance offers up the 22mill to keep them.

AC on Caisse/Garmin/QuickStep = worse for LA/JB, better for AC. If LA/JB were to conspire against AC, it would be best he stay at Astana, and then they lobby/pay the **** out of ASO to un-invite them at the last minute, which is why I think the JB/LA conspiracy of conspiring against Astana a bit silly. If they were to be jerks, they would play games with the ASO (note: i'm not saying they should, that would be a joke, but it would be a better 'lets all sabotage AC' strategy)

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This whole debarcle is a bit of a joke. Originally, I wanted Astana gone. Mainly due to Vino coming back, and I wanted AC on a dedicated team. But with respect to them, they've paid their dues and I've changed my mind

They've garaunteed the money, they've hired new riders and new staff, got new sponsors, replaced the DS and management. They've done everything that's been asked of them.

Whats wrong with the UCI? Perhaps its an image thing, but other than Vino coming back, Astana 2010 is a better face for cycling than Astana 2007, that's for sure...

I think we can all agree with the fact that "I think we can all agree" is an annoying statement.

 

[Tangled Tango]

*raises hand*

They have cooperated with all the UCI's demands, and put together a competitive team, now the UCI wants a banked guarantee of 22 million...absurd.

Give them a license.

I don´t think it´s that absurd considering how long a period they failed to finance the team in 2009. I do think the UCI is going about this in the wrong way, but that´s nothing new for them.

 

[Race Radio]

I think we can all agree with the fact that "I think we can all agree" is an annoying statement.

I think we can all agree that I was being sarcastic. An homage to the departed king of the trolls, BPC.

 

[HL2037]

The concept of a team led by Vino might be more threatening to JB/LA than AC is. Vino uses the same shady methods. He has the same kind of money and power behind him. He is equally ruthless, and not even held back by the desire to look like a saint in the media. I can see why they don't want a protour team run by him, and especially not with AC onboard.

 

[Publicus]

Vino is more of a threat to AC than LA could every be. Vino is the reason why there is a team Astana. Vino in my opinion will force Astana down the Festina route. AC needs to find a way to get of this last year. No matter what in my opinion Astana will not get a license for next year.

I don't think Vino is much of a threat to Vino for the simple reason that they have a personal relationship that pre-dates Astana. They were teammates at Liberty Seguros when Vino was very much the man. Now the tables are turned. In fact, I think Vino has a real opportunity to make podium at the TdF if he's in top form--a stretch, but doable. Plus there is so much to like about Vino's style of racing. He has panache!

 

[Publicus]

And, you don't possibly see BMC doing the same towards TRS? Or maybe some others that see AC as the favorite?

For TRS, Bertie at Astana is best case scenario. Especially with the team they have assembled so far and can still at this date. Which isn't' much.

BMC isn't guaranteed a slot at the TdF. And even if they were, they aren't a very strong team in the mountains. So while it is a possibility, it is highly unlikely to occur.

For TRS, Bertie at home is the best scenario. If he's on his bike and upright, there isn't a dam* thing they can do to stop him. He's ridden their tempo. He knows their strategies.

 

[linenoiz]

Evans and Hincappe should be enough to get BMC in to the Tour.

 

[bicing]

I don't think Vino is much of a threat to Vino for the simple reason that they have a personal relationship that pre-dates Astana. They were teammates at Liberty Seguros when Vino was very much the man...

Could you imagine two Vino's in the same team? In the same race? =)
Anyways I got into cycling after the time this team was around, is it AC you're talking about?

 

[Anonymous]

I think we can all agree that I was being sarcastic. An homage to the departed king of the trolls, BPC.

I think we can all agree that I was being hypocritical, because I am sure any reasonable person will recognize that I have been far more profuse in my usage of the statement "I think we can all agree" than most.

I think we can all also agree that the troll is back, and that is an annoying development.

 

[Publicus]

Could you imagine two Vino's in the same team? In the same race? =)
Anyways I got into cycling after the time this team was around, is it AC you're talking about?

Typing and thinking too fast. I meant that Vino won't be much of a threat to AC.

 

[pendant]

Not too bad, but your view is so unique. I like it very much.

 

[Anonymous]

Not too bad, but your view is so unique. I like it very much.

you really are the strangest and most unique spammer i have ever met..

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

s/he is a wierd one, for sure. But doesn't contribute anything significant to the discussions.

Susan

 

[auscyclefan94]

I am sick of it but isn't it better than having arguements over Armstrong and Contador on le gran Bornand. That was july. Once the season starts up properley then we'll should go back to it as their will be some new material to the feud but for now we should give it a rest.

 

[auscyclefan94]

1) you're right, saying "i think we can all agree" is such a lame statement and very laughable.. if I ever say it (other than a quote) i promise to leave the forum forever in shame

2) you're right, Contador at Astana is the best thing for LA/JB, there is no need to sabotage Astana because that's better for AC. If anything, i'd be more concerned if Lance offers up the 22mill to keep them.

AC on Caisse/Garmin/QuickStep = worse for LA/JB, better for AC. If LA/JB were to conspire against AC, it would be best he stay at Astana, and then they lobby/pay the **** out of ASO to un-invite them at the last minute, which is why I think the JB/LA conspiracy of conspiring against Astana a bit silly. If they were to be jerks, they would play games with the ASO (note: i'm not saying they should, that would be a joke, but it would be a better 'lets all sabotage AC' strategy)

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This whole debarcle is a bit of a joke. Originally, I wanted Astana gone. Mainly due to Vino coming back, and I wanted AC on a dedicated team. But with respect to them, they've paid their dues and I've changed my mind

They've garaunteed the money, they've hired new riders and new staff, got new sponsors, replaced the DS and management. They've done everything that's been asked of them.

Whats wrong with the UCI? Perhaps its an image thing, but other than Vino coming back, Astana 2010 is a better face for cycling than Astana 2007, that's for sure...

I did not get one word of that. Made no sense at all.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I did not get one word of that. Made no sense at all.

Job for him at the UCI, then..........

 

[ladyvader]

I'm over it. UCI might not be, but I am.