You're probably right.
I guess that just many of the ski resorts happily paying for a Tour are just unfortunately placed for great racing.
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You're probably right.
I guess that just many of the ski resorts happily paying for a Tour are just unfortunately placed for great racing.
Is it always the ski resort that pays? Like Peyragudes? Is it them or the town of Bagneres de Luchon? Same for Belles Filles. Is it them or the regional authorities?I guess that just many of the ski resorts happily paying for a Tour are just unfortunately placed for great racing.
I can only speak about what I know from the Giro, but it depends. Sometimes it's mainly the ski resort, sometimes it's mainly the region and sometimes it's mainly the town. There's also the political aspect, if the region is paying usually towns that are ruled by a different party don't get a stage (at least in Italy).Is it always the ski resort that pays? Like Peyragudes? Is it them or the town of Bagneres de Luchon? Same for Belles Filles. Is it them or the regional authorities?
LOL. Now I know I am wrong. Every time I talk about ASO putting longer stages I am usually referring to the Morzine stage in 1983. Little I knew that it was classified among the hardest in history. Now I know that ASO will never do that in a race again. I watched that stage like 100 times during my youth. I fell in love with cycling at that point. The riders literally dragging their bikes up the mountain.What would the modern peloton think of the 1983 tour de france stage of Bourg D'Oisans to Morzine?
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247 km with Glandon, Madeleine, Aravis, Colombiere, Chatillion, with the final climb of the Joux Plane.
The tour should have 1 of these epic stages in every edition. Just balance it out with normal amounts of TTing
LOL. Now I know I am wrong. Every time I talk about ASO putting longer stages I am usually referring to the Morzine stage in 1983. Little I knew that it was classified among the hardest in history. Now I know that ASO will never do that in a race again. I watched that stage like 100 times during my youth. I fell in love with cycling at that point. The riders literally dragging their bikes up the mountain.
253k, including neutralisation.I'm curious, how long would Foix to La Mongie be with the route I proposed?
Things being worse at certain points in the past doesn't mean things can't be bad now.People are complaining too much. 2001 had six flat(tish) stages in the final week, including the time trial. There was only one stage in the middle mountains, and four in the high mountains. I wonder how people would react if that came back.
253k, including neutralisation.
I don't think we'll ever see this kind of stage in Tour. Over 250 km and something like 6000+ height meters. That's just too much. But it should be possible to create something like the Pla d'Adet stage in 2005 (Portet d'Aspet, Mente, Portillon, Peyresourde, Azet and Pla d'Adet) or a similar stage to La Mongie using for example Portillon, Peyresourde, Azet, Ancizan and La Mongie). 200 km and 5-6 climbs, most cat 1, should be sufficient for some good racing.There's some really GREAT ones we could do in the Pyrenees such as Foix to La Mongie and include the Core, Portet D'Aspet, Mente, Bales, Peyresourde, Aspin, La Mongie (or even finish at the TOP, not the Tourmalet, but the Pic Du Midi).
Get rid of the youtube stages we currently have and get back to real mountain stages
I don't think we'll ever see this kind of stage in Tour. Over 250 km and something like 6000+ height meters. That's just too much. But it should be possible to create something like the Pla d'Adet stage in 2005 (Portet d'Aspet, Mente, Portillon, Peyresourde, Azet and Pla d'Adet) or a similar stage to La Mongie using for example Portillon, Peyresourde, Azet, Ancizan and La Mongie). 200 km and 5-6 climbs, most cat 1, should be sufficient for some good racing.
You used to see 250 km stages in each tour, but not 250km with 6000+ height meters. That would have put the stage right into the list of top 10 hardest climbs in Grand Tours which was posted above. The stage you outlined was harder than any on that list.With Gouveneou, yeah, we probably won't see 250km with 6000+m of climbing. Used to see 1 or 2 of those stages each tour though
You used to see 250 km stages in each tour, but not 250km with 6000+ height meters. That would have put the stage right into the list of top 10 hardest climbs in Grand Tours which was posted above. The stage you outlined was harder than any on that list.
Around 5500?How much would Madeleine - Telegraphe - Galibier - Alpe d'Huez be?
It's about the most I can see them crank into a "conventional" ASO queen stage, so basically the 2018 AdH stage but with Galibier north instead of Croix de Fer. Or maybe there's some combinations with Madeleine, Glandon, Chaussy etc.Around 5500?
This is probably true. Either Madeleine or Croix de Fer followed by Galibier north and Alpe d'Huez is probably as hard as ASO would be willing to create at present day. It would a small notch tougher than 2018 Alpe or next year's stage. We will probably never see a stage including all those four climbs. In the Pyrenees the toughest I think we'll see is something like a stage doing Peyresourde-Aspin-Tourmalet before finishing in Luz Ardiden.It's about the most I can see them crank into a "conventional" ASO queen stage, so basically the 2018 AdH stage but with Galibier north instead of Croix de Fer. Or maybe there's some combinations with Madeleine, Glandon, Chaussy etc.
No real Pyrenees stages and a couple of descent finishes in Massif Central and Vosges. Then I acutally prefer next year's route.After the Sestrieres stage in 1992, the tour then did Montgenevre, Galiber, Croix de Fer, and then Alpe D'Huez the very next day.
Not sure we'll ever see two queen stages back to back again in our life times. Of course, those were the only 2 high mountain stages of the entire tour that year
It think if they get in Tourmalet before a Portet finish it would probably be harder.This is probably true. Either Madeleine or Croix de Fer followed by Galibier north and Alpe d'Huez is probably as hard as ASO would be willing to create at present day. It would a small notch tougher than 2018 Alpe or next year's stage. We will probably never see a stage including all those four climbs. In the Pyrenees the toughest I think we'll see is something like a stage doing Peyresourde-Aspin-Tourmalet before finishing in Luz Ardiden.
That would be something like Tourmalet-Aspin-Azet-Portet? Perhaps.It think if they get in Tourmalet before a Portet finish it would probably be harder.