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Red Rick

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Unterlenkerfahrend said:
Says a lot tho that you have to go over a decade back (why 2009 btw? that was definitely better than this Giro).

Just the two Pyrenees stages this year in the Tour were better than the whole Giro.
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2009 Tour? There were 2 mountain stages that were raced, and the Tour was over after the first one. Group ride on Ventoux as well lmao. Pyrenees being better than the entire Giro is a big overstatement as well. They were really good but not all timers. Tourmalet action is great but once Pogacar follows the initial attack you know you can go away and take a siesta until the final 5km.

But overall I sense this huge narrative that Pogacar and Vingegaard being within half a minute and only attacking in the final km were great stages while in the Giro we couldn't cry hard enough about it. At the same time I've seen people praise the breakaway action a lot this Tour but in the Giro that apparently wasn't enough to mitigate any critcism.

Also, the resolution to this Tour wasn't very good. It was the first time check 30% into the ITT then it was just people screaming in the Clinic afterwards.
 
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Unterlenkerfahrend

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Red Rick said:
2009 Tour? There were 2 mountain stages that were raced, and the Tour was over after the first one. Group ride on Ventoux as well lmao. Pyrenees being better than the entire Giro is a big overstatement as well. They were really good but not all timers. Tourmalet action is great but once Pogacar follows the initial attack you know you can go away and take a siesta until the final 5km.

But overall I sense this huge narrative that Pogacar and Vingegaard being within half a minute and only attacking in the final km were great stages while in the Giro we couldn't cry hard enough about it. At the same time I've seen people praise the breakaway action a lot this Tour but in the Giro that apparently wasn't enough to mitigate any critcism.

Also, the resolution to this Tour wasn't very good. It was the first time check 30% into the ITT then it was just people screaming in the Clinic afterwards.
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2009 had crosswind action, entertaining time trials, great Astana team infighting, Pyrenees were *** but still had a bit GC action on Arcalis and the Verbier+ Grand Bornand stage was way more entertaining than all the Giro mountains this year. No chance I'd put this behind Giro 2023.

You complain about late attacks on MTF this Tour but at least there were attacks + there actually were differences in the GC spots outside Pog/Vingegaard. Campo Imperatore and Crans Montana had riders literally hold their hands over the finish line.
The resolution to this Tour was indeed disappointing but that seems to be the main reason why people deduct points while the Giro was dogshit all the way just had an entertaining time trial at the end.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Beautiful edition. In regards to the Tour 2023. It had potential but the problem was it didn't last for 3 weeks. A GT lasts for 3 weeks. Tour 2023 lasted for two.

P.S. Hopefully we will bump this thread again after the Vuelta 2023 and for the obvious reasons. We'll see.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
Beautiful edition. In regards to the Tour 2023. It had potential but the problem was it didn't last for 3 weeks. A GT lasts for 3 weeks. Tour 2023 lasted for two.

P.S. Hopefully we will bump this thread again after the Vuelta 2023 and for the obvious reasons. We'll see.
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only one GC day... and it was a short TT. A complete waste of everyone times. No wonder Sepp Kuss was still fresh for the Tour.
 
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CyclistAbi

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We had this debate already yes and in this thread. That is the season is not yet over and the memory already doesn't go beyond the final MTT. Basically TDF 2020 all over again. Similar to on how two weeks of Tour 2023 will likely be quickly forgotten and the ITT Jonas did will be the only thing generally remembered about it. By the end of this season?

P.S. Just like some of you already forgot about performances done by Evenepoel. Or Thomas finishing third at TDF 2022. So finishing ahead of Thomas already pushes you closer to Pogi-Jonas realms. But i get it. All of that didn't happen. As Giro 2023 lasted only for one (final) day. And what a day that was. A day to remember.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
We had this debate already yes and in this thread. That is the season is not yet over and the memory already doesn't go beyond the final MTT. Basically TDF 2020 all over again. Similar to on how two weeks of Tour 2023 will likely be quickly forgotten and the ITT Jonas did will be the only thing generally remembered about it. By the end of this season?

P.S. Just like some of you already forgot about performances done by Evenepoel. Or Thomas finishing third at TDF 2022. So finishing ahead of Thomas already pushes you closer to Pogi-Jonas realms. But i get it. All of that didn't happen. As Giro 2023 lasted only for one (final) day. And what a day that was. A day to remember.
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This is just nonsense. Maybe you only remember TTs, don't act as though it's the same for all of us.
 
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CyclistAbi

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tobydawq said:
This is just nonsense. Maybe you only remember TTs, don't act as though it's the same for all of us.
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OK then. There is 1% of cycling fans that will or still remember such details. In the end not such a big deal. The rest need Netflix to cope with the basics.

Still. When you say nonsense. You only mentioned a part of what i wrote. That is at Giro 2023 only the Evenepoel rivalry lasted for a whole week. So the one day theory is moot. The rest of the field knew Evenepoel will abandon due to illness? Then the rivalry shifted in between Roglič, Thomas and Almeida. At some point all having the upper hand. Overall decided at the very end.

Compared to Tour when there where only two rivals. There was some tension in between them. Maybe one could say at some point more excitement. But how long did that last and what good did it do for Pogi?

The very next day the reward Pogi got is people claiming he is not a GT rider anymore and at best should try to do Giro-Vuelta double next year. Something to think about for the future. Ride to entertain or ride to win. The answer is clear.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
Compared to Tour when there where only two rivals. There was some tension in between them. Maybe one could say at some point more excitement.
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Yes maybe one could say that. The tension between them led to craziness from km 0, people here often thought jumbo lost their minds for riding that aggressively (me included). GC contenders ended up in the emerging breaks by accident. In the giro noone did anything for 20 stages. That i figure for most was the entertaining part, not so much the final standings.
 
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Cassirer said:
Yes maybe one could say that. The tension between them led to craziness from km 0, people here often thought jumbo lost their minds for riding that aggressively (me included). GC contenders ended up in the emerging breaks by accident. In the giro noone did anything for 20 stages. That i figure for most was the entertaining part, not so much the final standings.
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It's not true no one did anything for 20 stages at Giro. Top GC riders shifted a bunch of time.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
Excluding the final TT how would you describe the Giro?
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Beautiful.

P.S. The part i liked the most, during the build up to stage 20, was when riders united and said no. That was just special. And already aggravated fans still not rage quitting. Like it happened after the ITT at the Tour. Kuss had his touch. Pinot was riding like reborn. The weather and illnes was relentless. Made you soul search. Proper GT.
 
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Tim Cahill said:
Enjoyed a lot of the breakaway battles but it loses a few points because we were deprived of the Hart vs Evenepoel battle for the top spot in the mountains that we were all looking forward to, it would've been 7-10 minutes to the next competitor like the tour tbh.
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Ugh, really? I think thats kinda disrespectful to Roglic, but I do agree that those two looked the strongest before the abandons - especially after we saw that Thomas and Roglic really didn't have that much in the mountains which explains their anaemic racing
 
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This thread is wild. Hart had never been a better climber than Roglic in anything. They hadn’t even gotten to the mountains when he and Remco dropped out. This is insane. Roglic had a bad crash. Everyone is falling all over themselves making excuses for Jai Hindley in the Tour after a crash. Roglic had stitches in his hip. Wild. But yeah this Giro was not my favorite, despite a beautiful end.
 
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