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Maybe this favours some more aggressive riding. But we'll see. I'm fine with this route as it reminds a bit of the good old 90's & 00's.
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I quite like it. A few relatively fresh routes in the mountains - especially the Pyrenees - and probably some good medium mountain stages. Lack of TT is a bit of a disgrace, but kind of inevitable given Froome's dominance. Northern France won't be happy either, but at least missing there out avoids the usual tedious first week. 6 or 7 overall from me. I'm guessing many of the haters are the same who claimed the Vuelta route last year was going to be terrible. It's a bit of a cliche, but ultimately the riders always make the race not the route; and this parcours at least gives them opportunities to do something entertaining.
Also, downhill finishes and lack of TT suggests that France are placing their hopes on Bardet now rather than Pinot. Fair enough after this year I suppose.
Also, downhill finishes and lack of TT suggests that France are placing their hopes on Bardet now rather than Pinot. Fair enough after this year I suppose.
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(a good) Quintana only has the two stages in the Alps. The rest of the course doesn't suit him that much, IMO. I doubt he'll be as close as in 2015, even when on form.
I like Froome a lot and also think it's a Froome route. ~ 36 kms of TTing, PdBF and Peyragudes alone could give him a couple minutes over his nearest competitor. The rest should be easy enough to control for Sky.rick james said:
(a good) Quintana only has the two stages in the Alps. The rest of the course doesn't suit him that much, IMO. I doubt he'll be as close as in 2015, even when on form.
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It looks like another Vuelta a España. I hope the Tour doesn't lose its identity. Some people in here have a sensible cord for downhills. For me is a killer. Especially in the Tour. That descent in the stage to Chambery is just silly. It killed what it already looked like a good stage.
The Izoard stage. I want to throw up.
Having said all that. Its the riders what makes the race. We saw it in this year's Tour.
The Izoard stage. I want to throw up.
Having said all that. Its the riders what makes the race. We saw it in this year's Tour.
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So how many Kittel/Cav stages will there be? Surely Liege won't just be pan-flat all the way. Longwy is hilly for sure. Vittel could have hills, but will probably be flat. Troyes & Nuits-Saint Georges as well. Likewise for Bergerac and Pau. I guess Rodez will have a difficult finish. Salon-de-Province will be a breakaway stage, no? If it's only 6, then it's as low as it gets (other than '15).
EDIT: *** this ***. It's 8 or 9 stages for the Kittels of this world
EDIT: *** this ***. It's 8 or 9 stages for the Kittels of this world
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I forgot to mention about the few TT. I like Quintana but he should earn it with a longer TT. At least the Vuelta has that identity of being a climber's race. But the Tour needs longer TT. At least one 40km TT.Escarabajo said:
1 for me ... for the start in Germany
otherwise the same boring crap.
Cav to win a bunch of flat stages, breakaways will score some wins because the GC riders don't care and wont chase and the few MTF will be dominated by powermeter robots keeping all attacks in check.
Wake me up when there is 100km ITT and the GC is open to more than handful mountain goats
otherwise the same boring crap.
Cav to win a bunch of flat stages, breakaways will score some wins because the GC riders don't care and wont chase and the few MTF will be dominated by powermeter robots keeping all attacks in check.
Wake me up when there is 100km ITT and the GC is open to more than handful mountain goats
- 23km ITT on stage 20 is ridiculous. You could have an ITT of such lenght early in the race but not at the end of it. 36km spread in two ITTs means that riders will be untested for ITT once again.
- I don't mind that TDF is back to three MTF forumula. However, the stages with MTFs should have been harder. Only the stage to Peyragudes is OK.
+ Stage with Mont du Chat looks creative, the only good thing about the route.
+ Last climb of Les Rousses looks harder than in 2010. The downside is that the stage is placed befroe Mont du Chat.
- I am sceptical about stages with decents, they have not bring anything to TDF in recent years. Foix is Pau number two. Stage to Le Puy is wasting 1st cat. climb. Galibier stages in 2005 and 2007 did not bring anything (30km or 40km before finish will not change much).
- second week and third week is very weak, only the first week looks ok.
All in all, it is 2/10 because of lack of ITT and only two decent mountain stages.
I disagree that this route is good for Quintana because he needs MTFs to attack. In TDF Quintana has dropped Froome on MTFs only, doesn't it?
- I don't mind that TDF is back to three MTF forumula. However, the stages with MTFs should have been harder. Only the stage to Peyragudes is OK.
+ Stage with Mont du Chat looks creative, the only good thing about the route.
+ Last climb of Les Rousses looks harder than in 2010. The downside is that the stage is placed befroe Mont du Chat.
- I am sceptical about stages with decents, they have not bring anything to TDF in recent years. Foix is Pau number two. Stage to Le Puy is wasting 1st cat. climb. Galibier stages in 2005 and 2007 did not bring anything (30km or 40km before finish will not change much).
- second week and third week is very weak, only the first week looks ok.
All in all, it is 2/10 because of lack of ITT and only two decent mountain stages.
I disagree that this route is good for Quintana because he needs MTFs to attack. In TDF Quintana has dropped Froome on MTFs only, doesn't it?
The amount of ITT is ridiculous. It's a farce. Mountain stages are nice though. Probably as unbalanced of a route as you can design. Wonder what they will do next if Froome keeps winning despite route that tries to hand over victory to Quintana? 21 flat stages so Kittel can win GC?
Yeah, some people forget polls are about other people's opinion, not just their own.Gigs_98 said:
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The things I like about this route:
-It starts with an ITT
-No TTT
-Stage 20 is an ITT
-Chat (and that stage in particular, plus that there's a restday after it)
-Galibier descent finish, although I would prefer Le Monêtier-les-Bains as the finish
-Some yet to be revealed hilly stages (let's be optimistic)
What I don't like:
Everything else. Pure crap.
EDIT: Wait, so Liege is a sprint stage?! :O Ugh!
-It starts with an ITT
-No TTT
-Stage 20 is an ITT
-Chat (and that stage in particular, plus that there's a restday after it)
-Galibier descent finish, although I would prefer Le Monêtier-les-Bains as the finish
-Some yet to be revealed hilly stages (let's be optimistic
)What I don't like:
Everything else. Pure crap.
EDIT: Wait, so Liege is a sprint stage?! :O Ugh!
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You just renamed the options, .... now 10 is the top choice WTF
... and there is no ZERO option!
Red Rick said:
You just renamed the options, .... now 10 is the top choice WTF
... and there is no ZERO option!
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